Hebrews 10:26.. what is it really saying?

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cv5

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Paul explained in detail what the result of walking in the flesh was while attempting to do good (Romans 7).

Nothing more.

Stop perverting scripture.
Are you saying that Paul was 100% sinless at some point during his life?
If he ever was he never wrote about it. Ever.
He did however write several times about the anguish he felt because of his continual and many failures.
 
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So this verse gets used alot to say that willful sin after salvation can lead to Jesus' sacrifice no longer being effectual. Effectively saying the salvation is undone for the individual.

But what is the Hebrews 10 context?

I know a lot of Hebrews has sacrifice related to animal sacrifice .

I know the Hebrews, if they had sinned would have offered up an animal sacrifice to symbolize the forgiveness of sin.

So what is really going on with this verse?
It means what it says. Christ’ sacrifice wasn’t some insignificant offering. You can’t live life according to the flesh unrepentant and keep thanking God for the Blood of the Lamb. It’s like the circumcision. To the foreskin, a ritual gesture, to the heart, a profound life altering experience. God wants the latter. He wants sheep that follow, not branded with His logo just to scurry all over the countryside. You can’t serve two masters. It all means the same. We were bought with His Blood to be slaves to righteousness, not slaves to sin.
 

cv5

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He did.

Romans 6:1-2

For starters.
I am looking for a verse where some particular individual has declared himself 100% sinless.
BTW, I think you missed the point of that verse in Romans.

1 John 1:8
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

I guess the aged and elderly John the apostle never saw a sinless person after his long life either!
Including himself.
 
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Have you successfully walked a sinless life 100% of the time?
I think there’s a profound difference to stumbling along your walk compared to treading an altogether different path. I believe that mastery of the flesh is far more possible than some profess. Because we must walk this path in this world, there’s going to be piles of crap from time to time. If you take your eyes off of it, you will step in it sometimes.
 
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Reformyourself

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Paul admitted his failure in this regard and in no uncertain terms.
Philippians 3:11-15
Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Amen
 
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1 John 1:8
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
The sacrifice of our Saviour is in view here.

What this is related to is someone denying a need for a Saviour by claiming having no sin to be cleansed of.

This does not apply to the born again believer who ceases from sin after having the past sins purged.

This is why he later wrote that he who is of God does not sin.
 
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Reformyourself

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I am looking for a verse where some particular individual has declared himself 100% sinless.
BTW, I think you missed the point of that verse in Romans.

1 John 1:8
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

I guess the aged and elderly John the apostle never saw a sinless person after his long life either!
Including himself.
Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. John says ‘He who sins, is of the devil...’
 

cv5

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The sacrifice of our Saviour is in view here.

What this is related to is someone denying a need for a Saviour by claiming having no sin to be cleansed of.

This does not apply to the born again believer who ceases from sin after having the past sins purged.

This is why he later wrote that he who is of God does not sin.
Not in this case. Let's look at the context shall we?

1:7: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1:8: If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1:9: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1:10: If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

2:1: My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


These three verses make it perfectly clear that there is a necessary and CONTINUAL ongoing confession and then cleansing of sin by the blood of Jesus. And remember John's audience are Church members who are born-again believers. Why would they ever need to hear these verses if they were 100% sinless?
 
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These three verses make it perfectly clear that there is a necessary and CONTINUAL ongoing confession and then cleansing of sin by the blood of Jesus. And remember John's audience are Church members who are born-again believers. Why would they ever need to hear these verses if they were 100% sinless?
You've said your piece, I have said mine.

I'll let it be as it is.
 

mailmandan

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No, but;
I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
Thank you for acknowledging you are not sinless 100% of the time and we should all press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God, just as Paul did.
 
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Reformyourself

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You've said your piece, I have said mine.

I'll let it be as it is.
They’ll never convince me. I don’t get how they can’t see it. Is there anything that Jesus cannot do? Past present & future
 

John146

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During the 7 year tribulation, if you believe in Jesus at the beginning but did not endure to the end, taking the mark of the beast, you will be forever lost.
Bingo! We have a winner. Truth can be directly applied when we rightly divide the word of truth.
 

Blik

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Have you successfully walked a sinless life 100% of the time?
This is a question that shows that you have a total lack of knowledge of scripture. If you had, you would know that as long as we are in this body we are not sinless. But we are told to want to be sinless 100% of the time, to follow Christ always. Following Christ means want to be loving and want to do good deeds 100% of the time.

Paul said it this way: he said that he sometimes did what he did not want to do.

We cannot take a sin we mean to keep to have it forgiven and taken away, but we still had decided to keep it. You can't give something and keep it at the same time. It is like weeding a garden. You cannot water and care for the weed and also get rid of it.
 

mailmandan

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This is a question that shows that you have a total lack of knowledge of scripture.
Reformyourself answered NO to my question and made my point. How does that show I have a total lack of knowledge of scripture? :unsure:

If you had, you would know that as long as we are in this body we are not sinless.
I understand as long as we are in this body we are not sinless. Again, how does that show I have a total lack of knowledge of scripture? :unsure:

But we are told to want to be sinless 100% of the time, to follow Christ always. Following Christ means want to be loving and want to do good deeds 100% of the time.
Believers should absolutely strive to follow Christ, abstain from sin, be loving and zealous for good works at all times, but that does not mean we will be sinless 100% of the time.

Paul said it this way: he said that he sometimes did what he did not want to do.
Yes, in Romans 7.

We cannot take a sin we mean to keep to have it forgiven and taken away, but we still had decided to keep it. You can't give something and keep it at the same time. It is like weeding a garden. You cannot water and care for the weed and also get rid of it.
Who said anything about keeping sin? Your post is somewhat confusing. o_O
 

Blik

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Reformyourself answered NO to my question and made my point. How does that show I have a total lack of knowledge of scripture? :unsure:

I understand as long as we are in this body we are not sinless. Again, how does that show I have a total lack of knowledge of scripture? :unsure:

Believers should absolutely strive to follow Christ, abstain from sin, be loving and zealous for good works at all times, but that does not mean we will be sinless 100% of the time.

Yes, in Romans 7.

Who said anything about keeping sin? Your post is somewhat confusing. o_O
You asked someone if they were sinless, now you are saying you know that they cannot be. So why did you ask if they were sinless? I am glad you understand scripture.
 

mailmandan

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You asked someone if they were sinless, now you are saying you know that they cannot be. So why did you ask if they were sinless? I am glad you understand scripture.
I asked them that question because of this post below:

I believe Jesus can enable us to walk a sinless life-100%