Is YOUR church doctrinal statement ONE with SATAN?

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ChosenbyHim

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Dino246 said:
Provide Scripture, not questions.
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Revelation 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
 
ChosenbyHim

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jaybo said:
The King James Version is neither pure nor perfect, only God is perfect.
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Jaybo, you have absolutely no Scripture to defend your statement.

If God is perfect and pure and holy, then so Must His word, the Holy Scriptures must be perfect, pure and holy.

God is One with His word, the Holy Scripture. What is true for God, must also be true about the Holy Scriptures. You cannot separate them. They are One and the Same.
 
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Apparently even the translators of the KJ did not believe it to be inspired.

In the original KJV Bible there was a lengthy introduction titled, “The translators to the reader.” In this introduction, the KJV translators explained their philosophy and beliefs about Bible translations. They wrote, “The original thereof being from heaven, not from earth; the author being God, not man; the inditer [writer], the Holy Spirit, not the wit of the Apostles or Prophets.” Later they wrote that all truth must be tried by the original tongues, the Hebrew and Greek. So the King James translators believed that the authority of Scripture was in the original manuscripts. This is consistent with what Christians have believed throughout church history.

When the King James Bible was printed in 1611 there were many other English translations, just as there are today. The Wycliffe English Bible came out in 1382, the Tyndale Bible in 1525, the Coverdale in 1535, the Rogers Bible in 1537, the Great Bible in 1539, the Geneva in 1560 and the Bishops in 1568. In the KJV introduction, the Translators said they did not believe in condemning other translations. Referring to the other English versions they wrote, “Do we condemn the ancient? We are so far from condemning any of their labors that translated before us either in this land or beyond the sea. We acknowledge them to have been raised up of God for the building and furnishing of His church.”

Did the KJV translators think the other English Bibles were inspired? Yes. The King James translators wrote, “Nay, we affirm and avow that the meanest (worst) translation of the Bible in English is the Word of God.” So they believed that every translation was the inspired word of God, no matter how inferior others thought the translation might be. This is a very serious point. Even if we attack the poorest translation of the Word of God, we are guilty of attacking God’s Word.


And yes, the above is from an NIV site, but as it quotes what the translators wrote in their introduction, it can hardly be biased

Further, the translators also said that
there was ab ongoing need to make new translations and revise old ones.
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As there are always improvements in understanding ancient languages, it would be folly to state that no improvements are necessary.

To state that God is able to provide a perfect Bible would be equal to saying that God should never have allowed mankind to have the option of choice, leading to sin.
 
ChosenbyHim

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There are errors in the KJV. New manuscripts have been found since 1611 that give a much more accurate understanding of what the Biblical texts say than they had 400+ years ago. Even the KJV translators said in their preface that their translation was not perfect; they expected it to be changed over time, which indeed it has.

Why are you so adamant that a single translation ordered by a King to make the Bible to conform to what he said Christianity should be is the ultimate translation?
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Jaybo, you nor anyone else on here cannot show me even one error in the King James Holy Bible. Why? Because there are none, Jaybo. Plain and simple.

By the way, can you show me by providing me with a quote from the KJV Translators where they stated that "even their translation was not perfect"??

Also, can you provide me with some sources which show that King James wanted the Bible to conform to his views on Christianity??
 
ChosenbyHim

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jaybo said:
They are not. They are all translations. The KJV is not "the word of God", it is simply a 400+-year-old translation.
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Are you saying that you do not have any access whatsoever to the true word of God??
 
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It's 99% that it referred to rhinoceros, but also there are sheep and goats with only one horn even today, it's a natural genetic mutation.
Still not a horsie, but a lot closer. :) I don't know about this second video (they move the cam a lot but see 0:11), but the first is legit...
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To find the explanation for the inclusion of the Unicorn and what happened to it you need to listen to the song first recorded by the Irish Rovers and was a hit by Val Doonican;)
 
ChosenbyHim

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jaybo said:
There are a slew of translations precisely because it's impossible to create an English Bible (and other languages) that is exactly like the originals.
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What is impossible with men, is totally possible with God. Where is your faith, Jaybo??

You seriously do not think that God is capable of preserving His word perfectly into an inspired translation?

If you can trust God to save and to keep and preserve your soul from sin, death, and hell fire and damnation, theyn why can't you also trust in God to preserve His holy words?
 
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jaybo said:
Correct. That is why there should not be a single translation that claims to be the word of God; it is impossible.
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Again Jaybo, where is your faith in God??

God wants us His children to ahve a copy of His perfect and infallible word, and praise God, we've got it!
 
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KJV1611 said:
You asked me why I was here and I told you and I'm not personally insulting you I'm telling you the truth. You are telling people that their bible is WRONG and that IS NOT the truth.
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In your opinion maybe, but that doesn't mean it's true. You have an agenda to make yourself into some authority on what is THE Bible, but I, and I'm sure others, see your argument as nothing but an attempt to make yourself seem important and authoritative.

There is little, if any, basis for your argument. You dismiss other Christians who don't agree with you as wrong, yet you lack to the authority to make that judgement.

Go ahead, read your beloved, antiquated translation, with its errors and contradictions. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that in 1611 somebody will make the perfect English translation. If the Bible doesn't say that, why should anyone believe you?
 
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ChosenbyHim said:
Again Jaybo, where is your faith in God??

God wants us His children to ahve a copy of His perfect and infallible word, and praise God, we've got it!
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My faith, actually, is in God. I don't worship a single, imperfect translation created 400+ years ago as you do.
 
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ChosenbyHim said:
Indeed, I understand that God speaks in more than one language, and that includes English. He chose to finished and completely perfect His word in the English language.
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IOW, non Engish speakers/readers are at a disadvantage?
 
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ChosenbyHim said:
Jaybo, you have absolutely no Scripture to defend your statement.

If God is perfect and pure and holy, then so Must His word, the Holy Scriptures must be perfect, pure and holy.

God is One with His word, the Holy Scripture. What is true for God, must also be true about the Holy Scriptures. You cannot separate them. They are One and the Same.
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You have absolutely no Scripture to defend your statement that the KJV is the perfect Word of God.. It is nothing more than a single translation created by fallible men. There are many excellent translations that are clearer and more understandable to those of us who communicate in 21st Century English. I worship God, not a translated book.
 
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jaybo said:
In your opinion maybe, but that doesn't mean it's true. You have an agenda to make yourself into some authority on what is THE Bible, but I, and I'm sure others, see your argument as nothing but an attempt to make yourself seem important and authoritative.

There is little, if any, basis for your argument. You dismiss other Christians who don't agree with you as wrong, yet you lack to the authority to make that judgement.

Go ahead, read your beloved, antiquated translation, with its errors and contradictions. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that in 1611 somebody will make the perfect English translation. If the Bible doesn't say that, why should anyone believe you?
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There are many things about the bible that I don't know, but what I know, I know. And I feel PERSECUTED when I come on threads like this, I can assure you that I don't come here to make myself feel important or authoritative. I feel like I've been raked over the coals when I do this, so again, get off your self righteous judgmental high horse.
 
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KJV1611 said:
There are many things about the bible that I don't know, but what I know, I know. And I feel PERSECUTED when I come on threads like this, I can assure you that I don't come here to make myself feel important or authoritative. I feel like I've been raked over the coals when I do this, so again, get off your self righteous judgmental high horse.
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I you feel persecuted when you come on threads like this, why don't you just leave? You have made your argument about the KJV over and over and over; nobody wants to hear it repeated 200 times.
 
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jaybo said:
I you feel persecuted when you come on threads like this, why don't you just leave? You have made your argument about the KJV over and over and over; nobody wants to hear it repeated 200 times.
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When the Lord leads me to move on then I'll move on.
 
Dino246

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KJV1611 said:
I do believe the other versions are inspired too but they're inspired by a different spirit. The spirit that led the NIV translators to translate "a son of the gods" wasn't the same Spirit that inspired the KJV writers to translate it as "the Son of God. Surely you can see this.
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Frankly, that's ridiculous. What I can see is that the KJV translators made a conjectural change to the wording to support a particular interpretation. As I have said before to John146, it is completely consistent that the words of a pagan king would be, "a son of the gods" rather than "the Son of God".

If (a very big 'if'!) it was in fact Jesus in pre-incarnate form, then the KJV wording is correct... but that doesn't make the other wording incorrect! If it was an angel, the KJV is wrong, but the other translations are still correct. You can't win this one.
 
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fredoheaven said:
That might be sound good to the newer English versions and many of today's study bibles with explanatory notes, footnotes but not with KJV. The Rule no. 6 prevails and the Explanatory Notes were recorded separately by John Bois in his notes.

No marginal notes at all to be affixed, but only for the explanation of the Hebrew or Greek words, which cannot, without some circumlocution, so briefly and fitly be expressed in the text.
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When the same reasoning is rejected for modern translations, it is inadmissible for the KJV. There shall be ONE standard against which ALL translations are measured.
 
Dino246

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KJV1611 said:
Yeah like the highly regarded professionals that say taxes have to increase exponentially to stop MAN-MADE global warming. Or the experts that shut down the United States and put businesses out of business over a pandemic that counted motor cycle accidents deaths as a CV19 deaths to INFLATE THE NUMBERS so people like you would think we're in a pandemic. You are beyond gullible!
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You share the gullibility if you think the KJV translators were in a different category.

Integrity calls for single standards, not the double standards that are rife among KJV-only proponents.
 
Dino246

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KJV1611 said:
My point is that highly qualified people have an agenda. They work for the god of this world.
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Therefore, by your reasoning, the highly-qualified translators of the KJV worked for the god of this world.
 
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