Not By Works

God is NOT a blind fool! He sees every sin that Christians commit! Indeed, if He did not see them, how would He know to chastise Christians when they sin?

Hebrews 12:1. Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us,
2. looking to Jesus the pioneer and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.
3. Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted.
4. In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.
5. And have you forgotten the exhortation which addresses you as sons?— “My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor lose courage when you are punished by him.
6. For the Lord disciplines him whom he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives.”
7. It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline?
8. If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.
9. Besides this, we have had earthly fathers to discipline us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live?
10. For they disciplined us for a short time at their pleasure, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. 11. For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant; later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
12. Therefore lift your drooping hands and strengthen your weak knees,
13. and make straight paths for your feet, so that what is lame may not be put out of joint but rather be healed. (RSV)

Why did Jesus die?

Didn’t he take all of mankind’s sin?

We are cleansed of sin?

He chastises us when we are disobedient?

How can the Holy Spirit live in our hearts..if we still have sin in them?

He can’t?

He cleansed my heart of all sin when entering my spirit..I became born again....a child of God has no sin in their heart.

Should we tear 2 Peter out of our Bibles and flush the pages down our toilet? And how about the very many pages in our Bible that include the following Scriptures?




Described

Deu_13:13; Heb_3:12

Caused by persecution

Mat_24:9-10; Luk_8:13

Caused by worldliness

2Ti_4:10

Guilt and punishment of

Zep_1:4-6; Heb_10:25-31; Heb_10:39; 2Pe_2:17; 2Pe_2:20-22

Cautions against

Heb_3:12; 2Pe_3:17

Shall abound in the latter days

Mat_24:12; 2Th_2:3; 1Ti_4:1-3

See Antichrist

Unclassified scriptures relating to

General references

Deu_32:15; 1Ch_28:9; Isa_1:28; Isa_65:11-16; Jer_17:5-6; Eze_3:20; Eze_18:24; Eze_18:26; Eze_33:12-13; Eze_33:18; Mat_13:20-21; Mar_4:5-17; Luk_8:13; Mat_24:10; Mat_24:12; Luk_11:24-26; Joh_15:6; Act_7:39-43; 1Co_9:27; 2Th_2:3; 2Th_2:11-12; 1Ti_4:1-2; 2Ti_3:1-9; 2Ti_4:3-4; Heb_6:4-8; Heb_10:26-29; 2Pe_2:1; 2Pe_2:15; 2Pe_2:17; 2Pe_2:20-22; 2Pe_3:17; Jud_1:4-6

See Backsliders; Reprobacy

Instances of:

Israelites

Ex 32; Num 14

Saul

1Sa_15:26-29; 1Sa_18:12; 1Sa_28:15; 1Sa_28:18

Amaziah

2Ch_25:14; 2Ch_25:27

Disciples

Joh_6:66

Judas

Mat_26:14-16; Mat_27:3-5; Mar_14:10-11; Luk_22:3-6; Luk_22:47-48; Act_1:16-18

Hymenaeus and Alexander

1Ti_1:19-20

Phygellus and Hermogenes

2Ti_1:15

See Backsliders, Backsliding of Israel

(From Nave’s Topical Bible)

Where in the Bible does it say that “these that Peter speaks of followed Christ for self-promoting reasons, they were given the gospel but never received it by FAITH - they received by their FLESH for selfish gain that's why they are still "dogs" and "swine" returning to their own vomit and mire.”? Moreover, Peter does not tell us that they are still dogs and swine—he tells us that they were dogs and swine, but they were washed (in the blood of Christ) only to return to the mire.

Of courser she was! If she were not—Peter’s words would be pointless.

Please read the verses that you have posted here. NONE of them either says or suggests that any gift cannot be lost.

Up until the 16th century, all Christians believed in the conditional security of the believer. This was also the doctrine of our earliest Baptist forefathers before some Baptists heard a brand new doctrine (perseverance of the saints, the earliest of the various eternal security doctrines) that had been recently conceived by some men in Europe, and spread this new doctrine among their Baptist brothers causing it to take over like a firestorm.

Which of the various eternal security doctrines taught by Christians today do you believe all Ba Christians ptists should believe in? Should they believe in the Calvinistic doctrine of the “perseverance of the saints,’ or the much more popular and more recent doctrine of the “preservation of the saints,” or in one of the various types of millennial exclusionism—forms of eternal security that sprung up in the mid 1800’s and continue to be taught today in which it is taught that all Christians will eventually go to heaven, but that that Christians who have sin in their lives will spend a future 1,000 years in Protestant Purgatory, or, even worse, in hell (millennial-exclusion Christian teachers differ on that issue)?

A born again believes in the truth....being they will always be.....OSAS......only a born again will go to heaven.

I believe what “GOD” testified to my spirit.......so I’m off to Heaven where I will see God in his full glory...my room is up there waiting.....,and no one can take away what God gave me......in Jesus Name......AMEN!

Apostates are people who had been Christians but who have taken a stand against Christ.

Nothing you quoted = loss of salvation!

Geez man....anyone can google verses on any subject and get pages of idiocy out of context!

You did not understand peter at all

he was explaining a fact that false teachers like these never came to faith, they were dogs, and were never changed,it’s why they returned to their true nature because they were not changed

He never said no such thing

way to add words to scripture.

2While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
The “except” means only one was lost. If I had 12 marbles and kept all but one, I lost the one. One cannot lose sosomething one never had. So Judas was lost. At any point in the journey with Christ one can change one’s mind. Salvation is described as past, present and future in the Bible. Only OSAS theology has a problem with that as it is the fixed past for you.

Jesus never told his disciples they were now saved nor that they were still damned. Bu what is true is one can be given to Jesus and later lost by their own choice to leave.

One among that group was lost. Another replaced him. His place in the kingdom was given to another.

Sorry this is short. Only taking a break. More if you wish to continue.

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To become a Christian in those days was to invite imprisonment, beating or crucixion. No one thought it was for selfish gain. Sorry, try a different argument.

I don’t understand what you want to say. Non believers don’t read the Bible so the warnings are to believers.

I was referring to your detractors in this thread.

I cannot remember who stated in the forums , but someone claimed as a non believer that they read the bible and became a believer reading the gospels...

The plan of God was before time. Whosoever was willing by their own response was not. His love for all in Hell is undying. Doesn’t save them. As long as you continue in the faith. You leave, that’s a game changer. Salvation is not a calling and this does not talk about salvation at all. You cherry pick verses.
The ten foolish virgins were rejected because they had done nothing. The unwise steward had has gift taken and given to another like Judas. The servant who refused to forgive had his debt reinstated. No word about a permanent gift of salvation. The Jews, btw, had the Kingdom taken away from them,
You cherry pick isolated verses and paste them together thinking you are forcing God to do what he never promised if we don’t do our part.

So if a believer says they’re afraid they’ll not remain believing, you guys just tell them the theology so no worries. I would tell them to press in to the Lord praying for strength and so build a relationship.

Please answer the post, not attack me.

Strange, I was trying to extend some empathy to you here on this thread, and here you go claiming that I am joining your opponents here in attacking you.