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Well, that's in the human mind. God never had them reversed anyway. He told us about THREE DATES and the number of days until THESE WONDERS END {Second Coming}. It was mankind who couldn't figure it out and thus started wrongly placing the 1290 and 1335 into the 1000 year reign, which it could never be.
As I explained it takes care of every issue. Men's Traditions of old do not excite me, I only care about the facts.
As I explained it takes care of every issue. Men's Traditions of old do not excite me, I only care about the facts.
In that case you should have no problem in seeing that 1260, 1290, and 1335 days all relate to the first half of Daniel's 70th week, which corresponds to the reign of the Antichrist.
They have nothing to do with the Millennium, and they certainly cannot (and should not) be interpreted as "years". This is what Christ meant by "let the reader understand".
They have nothing to do with the Millennium, and they certainly cannot (and should not) be interpreted as "years". This is what Christ meant by "let the reader understand".
What I have pointed out is that "let the reader understand" is directly related to all the prophecies in Daniel regarding the Antichrist and the Abomination of Desolation. The Lord wanted Christians to go back and carefully study the entire book of Daniel, since it deals primarily with the coming of the Antichrist and his destruction by Christ. Even the dreams of Nebuchadnezzar tie into this theme.
Daniel gives us an overview of events from the establishment of the Babylonian Empire to the establishment of the Kingdom of God on earth (as well as the establishment of everlasting righteousness in Israel and on earth) after the Second Coming of Christ.
And the Antichrist and his Abomination of Desolation precede the Second Coming in the first half of Daniel's 70th week.
Daniel gives us an overview of events from the establishment of the Babylonian Empire to the establishment of the Kingdom of God on earth (as well as the establishment of everlasting righteousness in Israel and on earth) after the Second Coming of Christ.
And the Antichrist and his Abomination of Desolation precede the Second Coming in the first half of Daniel's 70th week.
Matthew 27:50 - 54
Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
Hebrews 9:24-28
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
So are you saying you believe the Second Coming has happened already?
Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
Hebrews 9:24-28
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
So are you saying you believe the Second Coming has happened already?
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The only thing the parenthetical phrases in Matthew and Mark directly have to do with is what is being said in the verses where they are found.
It should be obvious that the authors deemed it necessary to include it to prevent the confusion that would have resulted if it had not been included.
It should be obvious that the way it was stated indicates there was a "special meaning" somehow associated with it that needed to be properly understood by anyone who read it so that they would be able to know the true intended message.
The phrase would not be needed if there were no "special case" for understanding it.
So - no - sorry - the phrase is not there to explain the prophecy of the book of Daniel to the reader. It is there to indicate that something needed to properly understand it is puposely being left out (or, not being said) - and, the reader will have to "make the connection" to [properly] obtain the true meaning.
It should be obvious that the authors deemed it necessary to include it to prevent the confusion that would have resulted if it had not been included.
It should be obvious that the way it was stated indicates there was a "special meaning" somehow associated with it that needed to be properly understood by anyone who read it so that they would be able to know the true intended message.
The phrase would not be needed if there were no "special case" for understanding it.
So - no - sorry - the phrase is not there to explain the prophecy of the book of Daniel to the reader. It is there to indicate that something needed to properly understand it is puposely being left out (or, not being said) - and, the reader will have to "make the connection" to [properly] obtain the true meaning.
It is not rocket science. Just about all who believe, without having read the Word entirely, know by the Holy Spirit who the Abomination that makes desolate is...……….Of course they would have to have heard the Word from preachers in their fellowship.
Generally I find it always good to read Daniel if I am going to read Revelation and vice versa.
Generally I find it always good to read Daniel if I am going to read Revelation and vice versa.
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The book of Daniel is one of the many that teach us God does not live in temples made with human hands. It is the abomination of desolation. Temporal things seen in the eternal place of God not seen. ( the place of faith) Something happened at the reformation .The veil was rent. There was no fleshly Jewish God siting on a throne.
Believer have always been the temple that houses our unseen Spirit of God. Building ten will not change the law.
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;Acts17:24-25
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
Believer have always been the temple that houses our unseen Spirit of God. Building ten will not change the law.
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;Acts17:24-25
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
I am referring to something "beyond" the painfully-obvious that the Jews understood (i.e., that prophecy of Daniel was involved - it is stated plainly in the verse).
I did not mean that they should fully understand it without any knowledge of Daniel.
Daniel is the basis of their understanding, applied against knowledge of history.
I did not mean that they should fully understand it without any knowledge of Daniel.
Daniel is the basis of their understanding, applied against knowledge of history.
It depends. the majority of the gospels correspond with each other but they give newer insights into the message of Jesus and what he did from the others. I would not say they all give the exact accounts on Jesus ministry. I like reading Matthew and i watch John and Luke on DVD. Matthew is about spiritual journey and have happens to people that follow Jesus. Mark is oldest gospel and the shortest, it talks about specifically what the blasphemy of the spirit is, the other gospels do not. That is just one example.
I agree with you on most points. Especially that there will not be another physical temple. There shouldn't be. It is quite possible that the tribulation period has indeed commenced. It is also possible (as I pondered last night in meditation) that we have already witnessed the great falling away. The image I HAD in my head of some future event where everybody quit going to church was formed while under the influence of the false prophets and the false doctrines of the churches I was raised in. Fairy tales taught from the pulpit.
The Word says the 'whole world is deceived.'
Surely He couldn't have meant everyone but the 22 million Christians on the planet.
Just sayin.
The Word says the 'whole world is deceived.'
Surely He couldn't have meant everyone but the 22 million Christians on the planet.
Just sayin.
(Preterism Is A False Teaching)
Your claim the events in the Olivet Discourse below were fulfilled in 167BC & 70AD is (False)
The Abomination of Desolation seen in Matthew 24:15 below (Causes) the Great Tribulation seen in Matthew 24:21, Jesus Christ Returns In The Heavens in Matthew 24:29-31 (Immediately After The Tribulation Of Those Days) (They Shall See The Son Of Man Coming)
The Abominations Of Desolation, The Great Tribulation, And The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ Are (Future Events) Unfulfilled.
No The Great Tribulation Didn't Take Place In The 70AD Destruction Of Jerusalem, While The Church Has Been Waiting 2,000 Years To Fulfill The Words (Immediately After The Tribulation Of Those Days) In The Second Coming Seen Of Jesus Christ.
(Preterism Is A False Teaching)
Matthew 24:15-21KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Your claim the events in the Olivet Discourse below were fulfilled in 167BC & 70AD is (False)
The Abomination of Desolation seen in Matthew 24:15 below (Causes) the Great Tribulation seen in Matthew 24:21, Jesus Christ Returns In The Heavens in Matthew 24:29-31 (Immediately After The Tribulation Of Those Days) (They Shall See The Son Of Man Coming)
The Abominations Of Desolation, The Great Tribulation, And The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ Are (Future Events) Unfulfilled.
No The Great Tribulation Didn't Take Place In The 70AD Destruction Of Jerusalem, While The Church Has Been Waiting 2,000 Years To Fulfill The Words (Immediately After The Tribulation Of Those Days) In The Second Coming Seen Of Jesus Christ.
(Preterism Is A False Teaching)
Matthew 24:15-21KJV
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.