Not By Works

His comparison was between God knowing us in the same manner or intimancy as Adam knew Eve sexually....

That is pretty disgusting!

Surrender to God means we give on order to receive.

Absolutely and completely incorrect.

God is not put in our debt by what we have given Him.

We are solely and completely in the receiving position.

I have yet to read one single post of yours where you understand this....why is that?

This probably sounds thick question.

God must have known about sexual organs...because he created them in man.

Plus these organs can give pleasure......so he must have known about them.
Did Jesus have those sexual desires?

I am trying to understand....this is not dirty talk....so please DM don’t twist my words.

Surrender means you give up with no expectations to receive. If there are strings or expectations, one has not surrendered. When the Japanese surrendered to MacArthur, they had no requirements upon surrendering the sword.

There is only one thing we can give to God, our obedience. It is the one thing He cannot manipulate nor buy or it is not given.

I am not responsible for what you can or cannot understand but on the whole you seem to have a blindness in regards to what I write. You continually respond to things I did not say. You do not seem to understand that giving to God does not mean He is indebted to us. I give gifts to my children but I do not owe them gifts. They cannot demand them nor am I in their debt if I fail to do this. Gifts by definition have nothing to do with debt and yet you keep thinking that giving anything to God means He is in our debt. So why do you not see that gifts are not paying off a debt. Paying off a debt is called "payment."

Jesus was tempted in all ways as we are so yes, he also would have had sexual desires. But he desired to obey God more and would not choose to engage in a pleasure in unrighteousness.

Your analogy is incorrect.

I am absolutely sure the Japanese were not receiving a GIFT!!

I have no blindness to what you write.

Everything you write is about you saving yourself....from start to finish.

So as much as you like to malign the OSAS believers .... we are the ones who teach the correct union with Christ ... based on His work.

But you do not understand that surrender does not mean receiving a gift. It means giving up. ANd the Japanese certainly did surrender and the whole world describes it as surrender even if you do not seem to know what that word means but think it means getting something which is very odd.

As I said there is a peculiar blindness that revents you from even understanding what the world "surrender"means. Very peculiar.

Jesus was a man, fully human and was tempted in all points as we are tempted....seeing he was without sin, he never burned in his lust which must conceive to = sin.....My view....I must be about my Father's business <--was his focus....he was probably tempted but never succumbed to the temptation.....

That’s not what I meant. As Christians, we have an intimate relationship with our Saviour. Just as Adam knew Eve in an intimate relationship, God knows us in an intimate relationship.

I did not see that in @Sackcloth-N-Ashes post , I saw it that he meant the closeness of the relationship Adam and Eve had with God , and God with them , nothing sexual about it...
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Not being mean here, just being truthful; many on here seem to have really poor reading comprehension. That wasn’t what I meant at all, but they took it that way. That’s disgusting to say I thought believers had intercourse with God. Not hardly!

I am sorry this was read wrong by others , I could not see that at all in your post ...
...xox...

It's futile, they are ready to attack, they don't reason or use rational arguments. Your meaning was not where they've taken it, that came from their own hearts, not from your words or intentions.

Whatever you say will be used against you, no matter what, even when they know what they assert to be untrue. Then they pile in on you which makes it apparent why we are not to engage them; Matthew 7:6.

This is the most saddening part: it is how the react, interact every single day on here for hours a day, nearly every single day of the year. Imagine how they are in real life: 1) They act completely different in public, which is hypocritical; 2) They act just like this in public which would not make for good fellowship, which is what goes on here. They are looking and apparently trolling for some kind of fight, they live for it.

I vaguely recall one was exposed on a social media account on a Christian forum, the behavior of the person in that social media account was just like their behavior on that forum, but with four letter words strewn in, and often. But whoever it was said it wasn't them, someone hacked the account. I bought that lame excuse for exactly no amount of time whatsoever. If it walks like a duck...

If you read what your own understanding and are not familiar with the scriptures a lot of the scriptures are going to be confusing it takes a very seasoned properly train pastor to teach it in its true form first history of the church the beginning Church fathers the development of the church and its different ages along with study of archaeology and the scriptures themselves translating from direct scrolls from the biblical Hebrew to the Greek knowing the standing and the order of the hermeneutics of the text that's why you must be studied show yourself approved and The scholar that would be call a teacher he would have to continually be educated throughout his whole life to be the best teacher of the Gospel at His best ability and simple-minded terms one can say the holy Spirit teaches us let someone have to have down the original foundation without gutting out essentials that built the whole storyline house without its proper building supplies cannot stand and that's why many of the Christianity are ready to go for not knowing their own Gospel or better yet not obeying their own Messiah of which mine is Yeshua hamashiach as you know him as Jesus the Christ the anointed.. and also without the proper education one gets confused over Sabbath's and different things in the scripture. As to exactly what was Jesus Christ teaching...But many things that are so advanced that can cause great damage if not taught in the sweat context that's why we have different denominations like the advantest also that jehova witnesses we have the Baptist and we also have the lutherans we have the Presbyterian and the whole point of this the church is divided because of such minds then at one point 4 step to progress but now there is a paradigm shift because knowledge has been expanded through proper research knowing your history is very important an to be educated essential therefore choose your pastor wisely because not all pastors were taught or eager to know more....

This reads sexual to me bring in that she conceived Cain.

There are indeed better ways to express God's intimate knowledge of us through scripture....

But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.
Matthew 10:30

My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,
Psalm 139

I agree there's nothing better than to speak about these matters because that's how we grow that's how we get knowledge we asked questions I may not be the smartest but sure love learn long ago I suffered as a heathen before I was saved I had a substance abuse issue and God freed me through the power of the holy ghost I was set free from my substance abuse. I was so grateful I want to know God more and I started learning I made a lot of errors along the away of learning but the holy ghost train me for a. Of 3 1/2 years of fasting and praying then an additional five years of continuing education under supervision of my rabbi I am a believer in the Messiah Jesus Christ I started off in the apostolic denomination and ended up under the wing of the rabbis the Messianic rabbis...

There was a woman here not too long ago who built a theology around the idea that we were actually angels at one time, and we fell, and were consigned to be human, and that was how God chose to redeem these fallen angels. But only certain ones that fell, who didn't commit certain sins, but still needed punishment

I DO NOT subscribe to it, but she had some interesting points. One of which is this whole idea of God "knowing" us before He formed us in the womb. It begs the question, what does "knowing" us mean before He formed us in the womb mean?

God is our Father if we are born again, so OF COURSE He knows us intimately. He indwells us! So I don't understand what the hub bub is about. Sack- cloth may have worded his post a little awkwardly but I certainly don't think he meant it in a sexual way as WE think of sex. Satan has terribly distorted our view of sex to make it dirty.

A great study is the ancient Jewish wedding ceremony. The whole community would surround the dwelling of the newlyweds while the marriage was consummated, and they became "one flesh".

No..I don’t think sackcloth meant it either in a sexual way.

But the thing is God made us with sexual organs....how would he have known what they were?
Used in his way...we would have made love.
Where as in this world it is bodily fluids and lust...sex with out love....friends with benefits as well,plenty of that goes on.
But he made us in his own image.....then look what happened.

God is pure and Holy.....