Not By Works

This is why it is absurd watching them go after those who deny the "eternal security" of the believer, accusing them of being saved by works, when they believe they merited it by an action themselves. This is the error of conditional election which is nothing less than merited salvation.

AMEN!

Some of us don't act like it is a Gift, but that it is owed. This is what I am talking about.

Look at David.

1 night with Bathsheba immediately led to murdering her husband, losing the baby, and having the prophet tell you are wrong.
Then later on, his children are murdered. His son sleeps with his concubines before all of Israel.

We are talking 1 sin and 25 years of heartache.

So, even if we have Grace, and we choose to sin, our sins find us. Somewhere in life we suffer over it.

So, how is it we suffer from sins, but we think we are saved by Grace from them?

Delusion is how.

And YES, Rebellion is the same as Witchcraft!

Agreed. The logic is simple, yet is somehow it escapes them.

I must do "X" to receive reward "Y" and those who don't do "X" don't get the reward "Y". Yet this is not MERIT somehow. LOGIC 101, dictionary 101.

Amen. Only the OSAS overcomers are doing the works. Those who are drinking draughts of living water from the bottomless well of Grace and power, those who abide those who persevere, all of this through a living faith, all in the Name of Jesus, all of which is a gift and work of God.

For those who do their own works in their own name for their own glory:

Matt 7
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have wenot prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

The only people I see who act like it is owed are those trying to earn it by their works. And amen, that is I. Extreme error

In the Hebrew there is a word that means MERCIESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS endless s here.

When God went to the Cross, He had Mercy for the Jews and Grace for the Gentiles.

It's why I stated, once Grace stops being a Gift (because we are Grateful), and Grace becomes I am saved no matter what, we have legalized Grace and it no longers becomes a Gift!

1 Corinthians 6:20 (NASB)
20 For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

do you believe in glorifying God with your body as this says?

10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life .


do you believe in living your life for God - by His power (the Spirit), in taking on the mind of Christ daily - as your own?


surely you do not believe in living Without Christ do you? on your own power, all alone, without His life In You? if we are to live in Christ (by His Life - in Us) then we must ALLOW the Spirit to work in us AND choose the good that it shows us (tells us) day by day to do. we cannot do Nothing (No Work).

nature even shows us plainly all the time that there MUST BE WORK DONE. if you don't work any your life will fall apart eventually. so too with the Spirit.

you will not grow at least if you do not stay in the Spirit or at least keep coming back to it, seek spiritual things daily or often, think good things daily or as often as you can, choose good helpful things daily (or often). these are all Forms of Doing Things my friend, i.e. - WORK.

Agreed. The logic is simple, yet is somehow it escapes them.

I must do "X" to receive reward "Y" and those who don't do "X" don't get the reward "Y". Yet this is not MERIT somehow. LOGIC 101, dictionary 101.

To just Believe is an act one has to make in Faith. After that, it is to continue to keep on Believing. In a sense, from how the Greek is defined, to keep Believing is an act of effort. Grace is awarded to those "who" keep the Faith! I am not going to get into the intimate details here, but to simply believe and to continue believing is a works.

1Ti 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

5 scriptures in the NT stating that the body of Christ has all three. Here is the key biker. The body. Members of Jesus, Messiah Saviour of all mankind, yet man must receive His redemption freely. Freely He gives! In Him. Have you seen the Greek for in? A fixed position. Where? In Him.

where can we go from His presence? Psalms..

When we fully look into His face....understanding Him is to know His love....there’s no other place that satisfies.

He brings us to this place for He is the Shepherd of our soul.

Well this is our work, yes! Believe! Jesus replied to the one who asked about this very thing.


Joh 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?


Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

To just Believe is an act one has to make in Faith. After that, it is to continue to keep on Believing. In a sense, from how the Greek is defined, to keep Believing is an act of effort. Grace is awarded to those "who" keep the Faith! I am not going to get into the intimate details here, but to simply believe and to continue believing is a works.

Them: "We're saved by our free will! God left it up to us!"

God: "Nope, what I said in John 1:13 refutes this. None are saved by the will of man."

Them? They're still arguing with God.

I disagree

mere belief never saved anyone, it takes true living faith, true faith never dies unless the one the faith is laced in becomes unfaithful

so unless you think God is untrustworthy you must admit, faith (true living) would never be lost

now, if you think we must in our own power continue to believe, then is that not meriting salvation?

Well this is our work, yes! Believe! Jesus replied to the one who asked about this very thing.


Joh 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?


Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

In the Hebrew there is a word that means MERCIESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS endless s here.

When God went to the Cross, He had Mercy for the Jews and Grace for the Gentiles.

It's why I stated, once Grace stops being a Gift (because we are Grateful), and Grace becomes I am saved no matter what, we have legalized Grace and it no longers becomes a Gift!

"This is our work" huh?

That's funny, it's apparent Jesus said it's (belief) the work of God.

Then Peter said faith is obtained, 2 Peter 1:1. That literally means given by divine allotment.

And Paul said it comes from the word (not us) and from the power that raised Christ, Romans 10:17, Ephesians 1:19 respectively.

But you're saying it came from you, and is the work of man. So it IS of works according to you (and others) after all!

Hmmm. Wonder who's right?

Agreed. The logic is simple, yet is somehow it escapes them.

I must do "X" to receive reward "Y" and those who don't do "X" don't get the reward "Y". Yet this is not MERIT somehow. LOGIC 101, dictionary 101.

Rom 5:1
Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Both of these terms are positional and legal in effect. This "peace" is not a feeling, an emotion a sense of well-being nothing like that. It means that the war between God and ourselves is over.