The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

1)Lot and noah,
2) The foolish virgins MAT 25,
3)the 2 escape verses,
4)the last supper dialog,
5) the catching away of JEWS IN rev 14 during the gt.
6)W/O the jews gathered in rev 14 DURING THE GT the label "first fruits " has zero continuity. IOW firstfruits of what?...answer;the gathered jews of rev 14 right after the 144k firstfruits.
7) Rev 19 the church ALREADY IN HEAVEN AND HAS BECOME THE WIFE DURING THE GT.

8) the ac kills ALL WITH OUT THE MARK. There is no truth to you postribs belief having the church run from cave to cave during the gt.

"And it was given the ac power to overcome the saints"

(Ahem,we see billions in heaven murdered by ac STANDING BY THE THROME DURING THE GT.
9) we are not appointed to wrath....but you guys are looking forward to exactly that.

10)the wise virgins were waiting. Watching and waiting earnestly. They set aside their lives to commit to being ready.
You guys mock that.
11) every catching away is PEACETIME SETTING. (You guys insist the OPPOSITE and need that reframed.
12) THE ONLY destruction setting of catching away is the 144 k,the main Jewish harvest, and the 2 witnesses CLEARLY DURING THE GT.
....BUT NO CHURCH REMOVAL IN A WARTME/DESTROYED EARTH SETTING.
13)ONE TAKEN,ONE LEFT.....Ok,Jesus did you say when? Yes, before the flood dynamic.
38 For as in the days that were BEFORE THE FLOOD they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 THEN shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.


YOUR DEAL INVERTS OR MUDDIES EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM

TheDivineWatermark has already wrecked your thesis. Why haven't you admitted to defeat?

The heresy is primarily in the rejection of the Resurrection/Rapture of the Church and the real, visible, tangible, physical Second Coming of Christ with all His saints and angels, to the battle of Armageddon (Revelation 19 and many other passages), and events to follow.

"According to preterism, all prophecy in the Bible is really history.

As an OPPONENT of Jesuit Preterism, I do not feel it is heretical to reject the above scenario...just good exegesis. The rapture of the saints happens at the Second Coming, not 7 years prior, because 2 Peter 3:10-12 says when Jesus comes as a "thief" to rapture us, there's going to be such a catastrophic cataclysmic upheaval that no life will be sustainable whatsoever, not 7 minutes let alone "7 years of tribulation". The return of Christ 1,000 years later with all His saints is when the wicked are resurrected, judged, then cast into the Lake of Fire, after which we'll witness Jesus create the "Earth made new".
Jesuit Preterism says Antichrist came already way back when, but the equally flawed idea of Jesuit Futurism claims Antichrist's coming is still future. Both these Jesuit ideas were sent into the world as a diversionary tactic by the Jesuits when the Protestant Reformers had correctly identified the Antichrist as the Roman Catholic Papacy. They essentially told the world, "If you're looking for Antichrist, look to the past, the future - anywhere but at us." So, if you're going to condemn one bad Jesuit idea, please don't forget to condemn the other

There will be no future 1,000 kingdom on this earth, with (Mortal Humans) present, found no place in scripture, nowhere!

Revelation 20:1-6 below is 100% in the Lord's spiritual, no kingdom on earth or mortal humans are seen (None)

100% Spiritual Seen Below, No Kingdom On Earth Or Humans Seen.

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Satan will be bound in "chains of circumstance" with no one to tempt and nothing to do except contemplate for 1,000 years all the ruin that he brought upon himself, his followers, and the good, good, very good Earth that God created for us. He and his angels will be reminded the entire time of the destructive power of sin...but they will not change.

As soon as New Jerusalem descends with all the saints and angels and God inside when the 1,000 years are complete, Satan will immediately set to work marshaling the newly resurrected wicked around the city for the final battle of Armageddon, which is over before it even begins. The White Throne of Jesus will appear high above and God's Spirit will so completely convict them of their sin and that they deserve the destruction that is about to befall them that they will fall down and worship just before the fire falls down upon them...they thought they could escape bowing the knee in the First Life, but in the Second Life they will bow as surely as Jesus is King of kings, just before they suffer the Second Death.

I agree with your timeline, however you added much drama to the event as if this was a screen write for a movie, you missed your calling

The non literal 1,000 years is taking place now, at the end of the tribulation Satan will be loosed to deceive the Nations to the final battle, Jesus Returns in fire and final judgement, the righteous pass through the fire to the New Heavens, Earth, Jerusalem, the wicked are caught in the lake of fire for eternity.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Zechariah 13:9KJV
And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

LOL King Nebuchadnezzer would toss me into his fiery furnace for graffiti-ing all up his great wall of Babylon.

I think the 1,000 years are literal because it takes place after Jesus comes back and by that time prophecies will have ceased. That means symbolic time will have ceased.

TheDivineWatermark, Are you meaning to saying "we are in the BEGINNING of the period of time called '1000 yrs'" (as though there will be the MIDDLE and the LATTER parts of it STILL YET TO COME)? or am I mis-reading you?

And yet God "numbers" the 144,000 very specifically.

And provides a profuse amount of other very detailed "numbers," in very precise and specific ways throughout Scripture. Shall we disregard all of these, as fluffy and unimportant, or rather, as "unspiritual"?? Or, not really as having been coming "from God" to the written page, I assume??

I agree, but not in the way you're intending.

By using "is as a thousand years," He is expecting the reader to picture in their minds "a [literal] thousand years," in the "comparison" ['is as']. Not some "un-known" one, but a "known" one.

the "veil was rent," who said there would be "Jewish flesh" sitting there? That's an odd interpretation, if you ask me. lol

First of all the word "sitteth" speaks only of "in the temple of God" (not necessarily saying "IN THE HOLY OF HOLIES," for this, see... you made that part up... and you based that on what Matt24:15 says, I assume, as "standing in the holy place" [re: the AOD / and "SET UP" Dan12:11 that this relates to... and which verse and chpt supplies related "day-amounts" and other timing details in this chpt (cluing us in, that this chpt HAS NOT HAPPENED YET ) ])

So you are saying you have no problem with there existing "two temples" [not counting persons individually] on the earth AT THE SAME TIME? Or am I mis-reading you?

Okay, so you are saying "the tabernacle in the wilderness" was also "the temple"? (furnishings being distinct as they were, and all?)

I believe the "abomination [singular] of desolation [singular]" Jesus spoke of in Matt24:15, "spoken of by Daniel the prophet" was the reference to it in Dan12:11... which TIME PERIOD *ENDS* with Daniel physically being resurrected "to stand again [on the earth]" (the *definition* of "resurrection").

I assume you mean to say that Jesus made "the [structure of the] temple" (in Jerusalem) TO BE the A[singular]OD?

"will be"? as in, "future"? Or do you mean "now"?

Now we are bolding everything. How am I supposed to know which parts of your reply are the really important parts now?

I state facts and I source any historian who records fulfillment. Josephus? Never met the man. Neither Hitler or WWII are in the Bible? I can't find Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Chairman Mao, Stalin either. These dudes killed a fair share of people too. But again, it isn't about body count, it is about pure suffering. Tribulation = suffering, not death. If it was about death rates, 70 AD was still worse. There were about 15 million Jews at the start of WWII, roughly the same as today. Hitler killed 6 million of them or 40%. The Great Tribulation of 70 AD killed 93%. No nation has seen a death rate that high.

Josephus records the suffering of the siege in great detail. Mothers eating their babies, men eating their leather belts, etc. Bodies lined the streets by the hundred of thousands baking in the summer heat. Can you imagine the stench? People were begging for death. It would be one thing if 70 AD Jerusalem didn't suffer like it did, then maybe I'd have no claim of fulfillment. The only eyewitness to record these events was Josephus. Are we to ignore him entirely?

Again, Josephus says this:

That neither did any other city ever suffer such miseries, nor did any age ever breed a generation more fruitful in wickedness than this was, from the beginning of the world.

Jesus says this:

21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again...
He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.

Both cite the wickedness of that generation and claim their suffering was the worst the world had known. So, how am I off my rocker for seeing a match?

It would be one thing if Preterism had no answers for anything you futurists claim is unfulfilled but we have answers for everything. You may not like or agree with our answers, but we have them and they are uncannily similar to the events you say are future.. Another problem you futurists have is if 70 AD wasn't the fulfillment of Revelation and the Olivet, then where in the Bible are the 70 AD events recorded? Gen 11 to Rev 19 is the well documented account of the history of the Jewish people. You mean to tell me their ending was omitted? Are you telling me those wicked Jews who killed the Son of God, got off Scotch-free? You mean to tell me God is going to punish some other generation 100s of times removed for the crimes of the first century disbelieving Jews? Again, it would be one thing if they weren't punished but they were. Titus killed every last remaining Jewish priest. Did you know that?

Your claim is 100% (False)

No the Armies are not the AoD?

The future Man of Sin will bring the AoD!

Daniel 9:27KJV
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Josephus is not a source of faith and there were no more signs as wonders that needed to be fulfilled .Prophecy ended with John. The last book is still the book of Revelation. The political kingdoms of this world never become part of the picture. We do not wrestle against flesh and blood, the things seen. We keep our focus us the unseen thing of faith, things of God. Not those of political nations . When the veil was rent the words it is finished came. Not it will be finished

The reformation began and is still doing its (sola scriptura) work of reforming restoring saints not political nations .

No such thing, I look forward to your claim and scripture presented of a pre-trib rapture?

Waiting

We will start with the Noah claim

The entire chapter of Matthew 24 is devoted to the "Second Coming" "End Of The World"

You falsely suggest Matthew 24:38-42 is a (Pre-Trib Rapture), as verse 36 below clearly shows,

(No Man Knows The Day Or Hour)

(Basic Logic)

You falsely claim this coming is a Pre-Trib rapture, with millions upon earth being left behind knowing the day and hour of this coming of Jesus Christ.

It's sad when you can't admit to the basic truth, and this is as basic as it gets.

Matthew 24:
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

2) If you go Dispensationalist, in order to be consistent in your beilef system you have to believe that SAVED Jews are NOT Raptured. Saved Gentiles a pre-trib raptured; saved Jews are not. A partial rapture, I find a bit of an absurd belief. But...someone out there may very well believe that. And I would have to allow that as no more wrong than any of the other thousand beliefs people hold about Revelation.

We will start with the Noah claim

The entire chapter of Matthew 24 is devoted to the "Second Coming" "End Of The World"

You falsely suggest Matthew 24:38-42 is a (Pre-Trib Rapture), as verse 36 below clearly shows,

(No Man Knows The Day Or Hour)

(Basic Logic)

You falsely claim this coming is a Pre-Trib rapture, with millions upon earth being left behind knowing the day and hour of this coming of Jesus Christ.

It's sad when you can't admit to the basic truth, and this is as basic as it gets.

Matthew 24:
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

The ten Virgin parable is also about the "Second Coming" and no man knows the day or hour, as you falsely claim this is a Pre-Trib rapture, with millions being left behind on earth knowing the day and hour.

Matthew 25:10-13KJV
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.