Not By Works
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So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Romans 10:17
It does not state faith comes by being unable to hear.
If “draw” means an “irresistible force,” then all would be saved. Why?
Because later Lord says: “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto myself” (Jn. 12:32).
“come unto me” (Mt. 11:28),
God is completely transparent on what on what He does... not under some cloak of preferential treatment for some.
God draws people by the Holy Spirit and by means of gospel instruction by which people are taught, hear, and learn.
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If you study out the Greek word ’helko’, it means to literally drag off, lead, impel, draw by an inward power. If He is drawing all men indiscriminately, then all would be saved. Just like in John 6:44, John 18:10, John 21:11, Acts 16:19, Acts 21:30, and James 2:6. In each verse, those drawn(some versions use dragged) shows ‘helko’ being effective. In other words, those drawn, ppl drawn by God(John 6:44 and John 12:32), Peter’s sword(John 18:10), the net Peter drew to the shore(John 21:11), Paul and Silas dragged to the market place(Acts 16:19, Paul dragged out of the temple(Acts 21:30), rich ppl dragging the oppressed before the court(James 2:6) shows that ‘helko’ is an effectual drawing. That when God draws, they come.
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You can forget tap dancing around me.....the context is not about losing salvation, it is about false teachers that blend faith plus the works of the law to finish salvation and like the HEBREWS LETTER.....he is clearly i indicating that for one to believe such drivel is in effect to remove themselves from a position of grace and attempt to place themselves UNDER an inferior position.
No offense, but if you think for one micro second that PAUL IS SAYING they fell from Grace and lost salvation, you do not know what you are talking about.
We have had this dance before, you have proven over and over to be contexually incorrect on most of what you hold and say.
Do me a huge favor....DO NOT engage me until you decide to view the scriptures from an honest contextually valid standpoint instead of through the lense of the incessantly false view of a losable, self maintained salvation, which the bible does not support.
No offense, but if you think for one micro second that PAUL IS SAYING they fell from Grace and lost salvation, you do not know what you are talking about.
We have had this dance before, you have proven over and over to be contexually incorrect on most of what you hold and say.
Do me a huge favor....DO NOT engage me until you decide to view the scriptures from an honest contextually valid standpoint instead of through the lense of the incessantly false view of a losable, self maintained salvation, which the bible does not support.
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I resisted for quite some time, and in light of the final outcome (here I am, Lord!) it is almost impossible to imagine any turning away for all time if and when the Truth has been placed before them. And of course we hear of even hardened atheists attempting to prove Biblical truths wrong, only to come to belief and faith in the process. And we also know the Biblical promise, even set against God knowing none seek Him, for people do still seek truth, and Jesus is the embodiment of all Truth, and those who seek, find. A regenerated heart is necessary, which God makes possible... that I cannot argue 
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God would have ALL MEN BE SAVED and come to the knowledge of the truth....and I believe there is a bigger picture missed by many.....EVEN JESUS had to disrobe himself of glory, take flesh, be given milk and honey that he may know to CHOOSE the good over the evil......this whole existence under the sun is about CHOICE....Choose GOD'S kingdom or Satan's kingdom.....!
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HEB. 3:12.
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, 'in departing' from the living God.
14.
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
4:1.
Let us therefore fear, lest, 'a promise being left us of entering into his rest', any of you should seem to come short of it.
HEW. 10:26.
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of The Truth, there remains no more Sacrifice for sins,
29.
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose you shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot
The Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith He was sanctified, an unholy thing,
and hath done despite unto The Spirit of grace?
31.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of The Living God.
COR.9:27.= Paul speaking:
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others,
(((I myself should be a castaway.)))
ROMANS 11:22.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness,
'if you continue in His goodness: (((otherwise you also shalt be cut off))).
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, 'in departing' from the living God.
14.
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
4:1.
Let us therefore fear, lest, 'a promise being left us of entering into his rest', any of you should seem to come short of it.
HEW. 10:26.
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of The Truth, there remains no more Sacrifice for sins,
29.
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose you shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot
The Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith He was sanctified, an unholy thing,
and hath done despite unto The Spirit of grace?
31.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of The Living God.
COR.9:27.= Paul speaking:
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others,
(((I myself should be a castaway.)))
ROMANS 11:22.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness,
'if you continue in His goodness: (((otherwise you also shalt be cut off))).
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I praise the One Who paid my debt and raised this life up from the dead
You BLESSED ME with a CRYING song for the FAITHFULNESS JESUS CHRIST, for the 2nd time today. What a blessing to CRY 2 Twice in one day, Worshiping Jesus Christ. Kim Walker-Smith, you can tell she is BORN AGAIN, and was SINGING TO THE LORD, as she sang.
THANK YOU FOR POSTING IT. I was expecting to go home to the LORD, before that song ended.
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