Not By Works

There you go again “assuming “......you stick with what you believe....and I will do the same....none of what you teach makes any sense to me whatsoever.
I pray you come to an understanding of what salvation means as well.
So swiftly moving on.

In fact the ONLY place I could even find it was the NIV bible and they use it, as a MADE UP ADJECTIVE, which is not in the GREEK, talking about a Great Mighty Army sweeping over everything like a flood.

Daniel 11:10 (NIV)
10 His sons will prepare for war and assemble a great army, which will sweep on like an irresistible flood and carry the battle as far as his fortress.


The NIV clearly made that word up. I suspect that she is talking about the "Charismatic Experience", which some assume it is the Holy Spirit. If that is what she wants to believe, I guess she can do that if she wants to, as long as it is in a Charismatic or Pentecostal Church. Personally in my opinion, it is all counterfeit, but that is just my opinion, and it is not my understanding.[/QUOTE]


You say the NIV made that word up in Daniel 11:10.
Irresistible.
How would you know that?
Does the NIV have a lot of made up words?
Is the NIV not to be trusted?

Can other members answer this question as well please..thank you.

And this is not connected to the concept of irresistable grace.

1 Timothy 2:1-4

“For grace to be grace it must be free.” Dr. James White. God could have saved everyone and He is just. He could have left the whole human race in their fallen state and still be just. Him saving those He elected still makes Him just. God is just, period. This fallen notion of fairness is an insult, and affront to His character.

Thank you so much this thread is not about the tenets of Calvinism anyway... a topic of very limited interest to me actually since I was never fond of Augustine when I read his book a few years back.

That such strange ideas of a Catholic priest still have such traction is baffling to me.

The faulty concept of irrestible grace originated with St. Augustine of the....Latin/Catholic Church.

She said God prevails when ppl understand? Srsly? Let’s see what the Bible says...What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; as it is written, “THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE.”[Romans 3:9-12] I’m quoting from the NASB and OT verses quoted in NT verses are in caps. The Bible says there aren’t any who understands. This is also found in Psalm 14.

That is your understanding of it.....mine is the opposite.

Go to www.biblegateway.com and look up other versions and see how they word Daniel 11:10. The way others worded ‘irresistible’ is quite consistent with the others. It’s referring to the forces being successful in what they sought out to do.

The NIV is a very good translation, imo. I’m not as down on the gender inclusion language as others(though not every place where “Brothers/Brethern” is used does it mean Brothers and Sisters), but the NIV is a very solid translation, imo. I read from it quite a bit, but prefer the NASB.

Yes, and that church is into are into the "Charismatic Experience" too.

It is an okay translation, IMO
, but in places they had to make up words not in the GREEK to get the point across in their ultra simplified ENGLISH. But I also studied with an NIV for Years and almost wore out my Thompson Chain NIV. My current favorite is Holman's Christian Standard Bible.

... and there is only one truth supported by scripture.

Exactly..mine being the opposite to what you believe God is saying in that scripture.

I don’t believe “your” interpretation..as you don’t mine.

Read all of that scripture to Nicodemus..it may help you better understand...but then again it may not.

Many are tossed about with every wind of doctrine when their foundation is shakey due to a lack of growth.....Calvinism is a cult indeed!

It’s the same with the fruits of the Spirit.....you don’t seem to believe the same way as I do.....

So our understanding is different...most of what you say I don’t understand....same for you of Me.

Bearing the fruit of the Spirit is very important to me...you shall know them by the fruit they bear.

so you think Adam who was created in his perfect state BEFORE the fall needed grace? What was the purpose for his needing grace, and as a child of God already what did he need saved for?