Is believing in the Master Conspiracy good sense?

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Imagine yourself as someone with such great power that you could organize a master conspiracy that would bring the entire world under their control. Look at the great power of technology to destroy the world. Imagine what would happen if this power were just left in the hands of belligerent, egotistical actors. Would you not feel a moral obligation to bring these actors under your control, so they would not destroy the world? Would you not also train another generation of conspirators to continue your project after you retire or die? Would you not have to arrange for many minor conspiratorial projects to train them and keep them busy? Would you not hire the best teams of experts to design the best methods of control? What would be the best methods of control? Would you not hide your power under a facade of incompetence, so your enemies could not see your real power? Would you not distribute false stories of conspiracy that can be easily discredited, so that people come to discredit all conspiracy stories, including the ones that your teams are successfully executing? Would you not take control of mainstream media and list your news sources as the "credible" ones that people need to believe in to avoid the "fake news" sources, which you have largely created? Does your imaginary picture begin to look like the real world out there?

To give this a little historical detail think of what FDR was dealing with when he gave his Four Freedoms Speech on January 6, 1941. For the freedoms from fear and want, he used the phrase "which, translated into world terms," because for these he was taking a globalist perspective, not just an individual one. He was advocating that the U.S. prepare for World War II, which resulting in the U.S. becoming the world superpower. To facilitate this he had transferred the U.S. Pacific Fleet from San Diego to Pearl Harbor. An oil embargo had been imposed on Japan so that it would feel the need to seize the Sumatran oil fields before its reserves were exhausted. U.S. forces in the Philippines threatened the new Japanese supply lines. .Japan was led to believe that it could conduct a successful torpedo attack against the Pacific Fleet in the shallow water of Pearl Harbor. Eventually the U.S arranged its obsolete battleships for great dramatic effort. The harbor was dredged so Japanese torpedoes would not hit the bottom. Manhole covers were removed from the Oklahoma so that it would capsize. The Arizona was filled with flammable fuel and set up to provide a dramatic background of fire, smoke, and explosion. In November the Japanese had taken the bait and begun planning for their attack. The U.S. was beginning to set up the harbor for its dramatic role when FDR gave his speech, so he no longer had to worry about organizing for the U.S. declaration of war.

In June FDR had reorganized atomic bomb research to proceed rapidly. He surely understand that this was going to make a World War II type of war obsolete. He talked about disarmament after the war, but there is a second way to prevent further large scale war. This is to make it so destructive that no one could possibly hope to benefit from it. The public is not going to support this, so deception is necessary. What the U.S. did was to switch the decimal points in its list of bombs. This made it look like the Soviet Union had several times more nuclear firepower, when the U.S. really had twenty times more. The Soviet Union went along with this because it made them look much stronger than they really were. It made the military-industrial complex happy, because they could readily get their demands for more weapons easily approved. At its peak in 1965 the nuclear arsenal had 1.5 million megatons of fission yield - plenty to insure that even a small part of it being used would wreck the global ecosystem.

As FDR said in his speech, the globalist view on freedom from want is that wealth must be better distributed among the countries of the world. The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency was instrumental in bringing about modern telecommunications technology. This has enabled the distribution of wealth by enabling companies to distribute their facilities around the world. China has now recovered most of the economic position it had before the Industrial Revolution. Inequality is still too great to insure the stability of a new world order. Is not the current coronavirus crisis the Master Conspiracy's way of bringing about greater equality between nations so that a global culture can be implemented attuned to a much higher degree of automation?
 

Magenta

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There was also Eisenhower's "Military-Industrial Complex" Speech (Origins and Significance)


^ ^ Revisioned ;)

:)
 

ev4989

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Imagine yourself as someone with such great power that you could organize a master conspiracy that would bring the entire world under their control. Look at the great power of technology to destroy the world. Imagine what would happen if this power were just left in the hands of belligerent, egotistical actors. Would you not feel a moral obligation to bring these actors under your control, so they would not destroy the world? Would you not also train another generation of conspirators to continue your project after you retire or die? Would you not have to arrange for many minor conspiratorial projects to train them and keep them busy? Would you not hire the best teams of experts to design the best methods of control? What would be the best methods of control? Would you not hide your power under a facade of incompetence, so your enemies could not see your real power? Would you not distribute false stories of conspiracy that can be easily discredited, so that people come to discredit all conspiracy stories, including the ones that your teams are successfully executing? Would you not take control of mainstream media and list your news sources as the "credible" ones that people need to believe in to avoid the "fake news" sources, which you have largely created? Does your imaginary picture begin to look like the real world out there?

To give this a little historical detail think of what FDR was dealing with when he gave his Four Freedoms Speech on January 6, 1941. For the freedoms from fear and want, he used the phrase "which, translated into world terms," because for these he was taking a globalist perspective, not just an individual one. He was advocating that the U.S. prepare for World War II, which resulting in the U.S. becoming the world superpower. To facilitate this he had transferred the U.S. Pacific Fleet from San Diego to Pearl Harbor. An oil embargo had been imposed on Japan so that it would feel the need to seize the Sumatran oil fields before its reserves were exhausted. U.S. forces in the Philippines threatened the new Japanese supply lines. .Japan was led to believe that it could conduct a successful torpedo attack against the Pacific Fleet in the shallow water of Pearl Harbor. Eventually the U.S arranged its obsolete battleships for great dramatic effort. The harbor was dredged so Japanese torpedoes would not hit the bottom. Manhole covers were removed from the Oklahoma so that it would capsize. The Arizona was filled with flammable fuel and set up to provide a dramatic background of fire, smoke, and explosion. In November the Japanese had taken the bait and begun planning for their attack. The U.S. was beginning to set up the harbor for its dramatic role when FDR gave his speech, so he no longer had to worry about organizing for the U.S. declaration of war.

In June FDR had reorganized atomic bomb research to proceed rapidly. He surely understand that this was going to make a World War II type of war obsolete. He talked about disarmament after the war, but there is a second way to prevent further large scale war. This is to make it so destructive that no one could possibly hope to benefit from it. The public is not going to support this, so deception is necessary. What the U.S. did was to switch the decimal points in its list of bombs. This made it look like the Soviet Union had several times more nuclear firepower, when the U.S. really had twenty times more. The Soviet Union went along with this because it made them look much stronger than they really were. It made the military-industrial complex happy, because they could readily get their demands for more weapons easily approved. At its peak in 1965 the nuclear arsenal had 1.5 million megatons of fission yield - plenty to insure that even a small part of it being used would wreck the global ecosystem.

As FDR said in his speech, the globalist view on freedom from want is that wealth must be better distributed among the countries of the world. The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency was instrumental in bringing about modern telecommunications technology. This has enabled the distribution of wealth by enabling companies to distribute their facilities around the world. China has now recovered most of the economic position it had before the Industrial Revolution. Inequality is still too great to insure the stability of a new world order. Is not the current coronavirus crisis the Master Conspiracy's way of bringing about greater equality between nations so that a global culture can be implemented attuned to a much higher degree of automation?
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calibob

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Richard Gatling and Alfred Nobel thought what they each invented was so terrible that wars would end. Wars just got worse.
 
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I take it that for ethical reasons you would not organize the Master Conspiracy. I also asked a final question assuming that someone else already has. If your no is also for that question, what are the reasons for your answer? Maybe your answer is just for the title.
 

sherryt

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Imagine yourself as someone with such great power that you could organize a master conspiracy that would bring the entire world under their control. Look at the great power of technology to destroy the world. Imagine what would happen if this power were just left in the hands of belligerent, egotistical actors. Would you not feel a moral obligation to bring these actors under your control, so they would not destroy the world? Would you not also train another generation of conspirators to continue your project after you retire or die? Would you not have to arrange for many minor conspiratorial projects to train them and keep them busy? Would you not hire the best teams of experts to design the best methods of control? What would be the best methods of control? Would you not hide your power under a facade of incompetence, so your enemies could not see your real power? Would you not distribute false stories of conspiracy that can be easily discredited, so that people come to discredit all conspiracy stories, including the ones that your teams are successfully executing? Would you not take control of mainstream media and list your news sources as the "credible" ones that people need to believe in to avoid the "fake news" sources, which you have largely created? Does your imaginary picture begin to look like the real world out there?

To give this a little historical detail think of what FDR was dealing with when he gave his Four Freedoms Speech on January 6, 1941. For the freedoms from fear and want, he used the phrase "which, translated into world terms," because for these he was taking a globalist perspective, not just an individual one. He was advocating that the U.S. prepare for World War II, which resulting in the U.S. becoming the world superpower. To facilitate this he had transferred the U.S. Pacific Fleet from San Diego to Pearl Harbor. An oil embargo had been imposed on Japan so that it would feel the need to seize the Sumatran oil fields before its reserves were exhausted. U.S. forces in the Philippines threatened the new Japanese supply lines. .Japan was led to believe that it could conduct a successful torpedo attack against the Pacific Fleet in the shallow water of Pearl Harbor. Eventually the U.S arranged its obsolete battleships for great dramatic effort. The harbor was dredged so Japanese torpedoes would not hit the bottom. Manhole covers were removed from the Oklahoma so that it would capsize. The Arizona was filled with flammable fuel and set up to provide a dramatic background of fire, smoke, and explosion. In November the Japanese had taken the bait and begun planning for their attack. The U.S. was beginning to set up the harbor for its dramatic role when FDR gave his speech, so he no longer had to worry about organizing for the U.S. declaration of war.

In June FDR had reorganized atomic bomb research to proceed rapidly. He surely understand that this was going to make a World War II type of war obsolete. He talked about disarmament after the war, but there is a second way to prevent further large scale war. This is to make it so destructive that no one could possibly hope to benefit from it. The public is not going to support this, so deception is necessary. What the U.S. did was to switch the decimal points in its list of bombs. This made it look like the Soviet Union had several times more nuclear firepower, when the U.S. really had twenty times more. The Soviet Union went along with this because it made them look much stronger than they really were. It made the military-industrial complex happy, because they could readily get their demands for more weapons easily approved. At its peak in 1965 the nuclear arsenal had 1.5 million megatons of fission yield - plenty to insure that even a small part of it being used would wreck the global ecosystem.

As FDR said in his speech, the globalist view on freedom from want is that wealth must be better distributed among the countries of the world. The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency was instrumental in bringing about modern telecommunications technology. This has enabled the distribution of wealth by enabling companies to distribute their facilities around the world. China has now recovered most of the economic position it had before the Industrial Revolution. Inequality is still too great to insure the stability of a new world order. Is not the current coronavirus crisis the Master Conspiracy's way of bringing about greater equality between nations so that a global culture can be implemented attuned to a much higher degree of automation?


Your posting was interesting I'm not sure if you are looking for answers or a debate which I offer my thoughts only they are simple. I do not begin to understand the why's of all we are going through. The virus, the killings (to include innocent children) the destruction of property, the mayors and governors that sit in their offices allowing this to happen.

What I do firmly believe even though I do not understand the above, is in a God of love of Whom is in control. Does it look this way? NO. But "we walk by faith not by sight." "For His ways are not our ways nor our thoughts are His thoughts, for His ways are higher then our ways and His thoughts higher then our thoughts" My trust is in Him that His plan will be fulfilled whatever it may be.

We need to be updated on what is going on the world but to dwell on all the negativity that is happening can only instill fear. We need to follow the guidelines set (masks etc) yet if news is all that is watched and discussed fear can easily enter. Just my thoughts.
 
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Your posting was interesting I'm not sure if you are looking for answers or a debate which I offer my thoughts only they are simple. I do not begin to understand the why's of all we are going through. The virus, the killings (to include innocent children) the destruction of property, the mayors and governors that sit in their offices allowing this to happen.
I made my post with questions to elicit good discussion. I already had my answers to the questions I posed. I understood that this crisis was concocted right from the beginning because I have studied historical events, e.g., Pearl Harbor and the collapse of the Twin Towers.

What I do firmly believe even though I do not understand the above, is in a God of love of Whom is in control. Does it look this way? NO. But "we walk by faith not by sight." "For His ways are not our ways nor our thoughts are His thoughts, for His ways are higher then our ways and His thoughts higher then our thoughts" My trust is in Him that His plan will be fulfilled whatever it may be.
You have a good starting attitude. One then needs to be sensitive to how one is a positive part of the plan, rather than just lapsing into confusion and inactivity.

We need to be updated on what is going on the world but to dwell on all the negativity that is happening can only instill fear. We need to follow the guidelines set (masks etc) yet if news is all that is watched and discussed fear can easily enter. Just my thoughts.
One needs to not "dwell on all the negativity". One needs to join together with others to analyze what is happening and to take positive action to combat the negativity.

I use my scientific knowledge when dealing with masks. In sunlight the virus is killed in minutes. Inside it lingers for hours, so people should be wearing good masks. Outside in still, moist air a distance of about 8 feet is appropriate so a cough will not land on other peoples lower legs. In a wind people should try to be crosswind so nobody is downwind. Irrational guidelines are being set that inhibit people from being social. First they set a distance of 6 feet without mentioning the effects of wind. They then said that masks are required because 6 feet is inadequate. Now they are saying that one must have their mask ready at 30 feet in case people then happen to come to near 6 feet. Many people can see through this game and just use their good sense. Others are not using their good sense. A good number of my folk dance community came down with the virus. They said it made them ill for weeks and is something definitely to be avoided.
 

sherryt

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I made my post with questions to elicit good discussion. I already had my answers to the questions I posed. I understood that this crisis was concocted right from the beginning because I have studied historical events, e.g., Pearl Harbor and the collapse of the Twin Towers.



You have a good starting attitude. One then needs to be sensitive to how one is a positive part of the plan, rather than just lapsing into confusion and inactivity.



One needs to not "dwell on all the negativity". One needs to join together with others to analyze what is happening and to take positive action to combat the negativity.

I use my scientific knowledge when dealing with masks. In sunlight the virus is killed in minutes. Inside it lingers for hours, so people should be wearing good masks. Outside in still, moist air a distance of about 8 feet is appropriate so a cough will not land on other peoples lower legs. In a wind people should try to be crosswind so nobody is downwind. Irrational guidelines are being set that inhibit people from being social. First they set a distance of 6 feet without mentioning the effects of wind. They then said that masks are required because 6 feet is inadequate. Now they are saying that one must have their mask ready at 30 feet in case people then happen to come to near 6 feet. Many people can see through this game and just use their good sense. Others are not using their good sense. A good number of my folk dance community came down with the virus. They said it made them ill for weeks and is something definitely to be avoided.


Again, I am not debating with you. After reading your last post I do understand you are using "Your scientific knowledge" when dealing with this dreadful virus I DO NOT DISPUTE THAT. My husband and I keep ourselves informed with daily updates regarding Covid-19.

One thing I do not understand is your statement made regarding my negativity and confusion. Possibly it is because you are looking at this, as you stated, with "scientific knowledge" which admittedly I have none. What I do have is the knowledge and belief that we have a God that is bigger then any and all happenings whether from man (physically) or darkness (spiritually.)

I respect your beliefs I only ask that you also respect mine. Thank you
 
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Again, I am not debating with you. After reading your last post I do understand you are using "Your scientific knowledge" when dealing with this dreadful virus I DO NOT DISPUTE THAT. My husband and I keep ourselves informed with daily updates regarding Covid-19.

One thing I do not understand is your statement made regarding my negativity and confusion. Possibly it is because you are looking at this, as you stated, with "scientific knowledge" which admittedly I have none. What I do have is the knowledge and belief that we have a God that is bigger then any and all happenings whether from man (physically) or darkness (spiritually.)

I respect your beliefs I only ask that you also respect mine. Thank you
I apologize for not making it clear that my statements about confusion, negativity, and inaction were not personally directed at you. They were a philosophical statement directed at the entire world. I thought I had made it clear by talking about broader events that happened outside of even the Christian Chat community.
 

sherryt

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I apologize for not making it clear that my statements about confusion, negativity, and inaction were not personally directed at you. They were a philosophical statement directed at the entire world. I thought I had made it clear by talking about broader events that happened outside of even the Christian Chat community.

After we have both read the postings I believe it's clear where we each stand.
 
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After we have both read the postings I believe it's clear where we each stand.
After I got an uncomfortable feeling of an impasse in understanding, I reread the posts. I was drawn to your statement, "if news is all that is watched and discussed fear can easily enter. Just my thoughts." I strongly agreed with your statement. I think that fear is counteracted by knowledge (in both its scientific and spiritually meanings). I also think this is true in U.S. law though it has not yet been brought to the U.S. Supreme Court.

I encourage people not to just read mainstream news, which is controlled by the ruling elite to induce fear. I encourage people to find other sources of information, particularly those that lead to knowledge outside of that included in the ruling class plans for control by deception and fear. As a child I set a goal of "learning how the world works". This was rejected by the mainstream educational system, so I have doing it mainly on my own. I have done it mainly through math and science literature, but being a comprehensive goal, it has also brought me into religious communities.
 
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ev4989, I asked several questions and made several statements. The response "no" can often be interpreted in two different ways. Since you did not append any statement to your "no", I have little idea what you are trying to say.
 

ev4989

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no... What? Please offer some reasons for your opinion. I am trying to elicit a discussion, not take a poll.
I don't believe that America has come this. I believe that you people are paranoid. Once the ejection happens things will be better. please don't disrespect us, or under estimate us. I love my Country.
 

Subhumanoidal

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no... What? Please offer some reasons for your opinion. I am trying to elicit a discussion, not take a poll.
You posted a question in your title, then made your post more lengthy then most will take the time to read. So it's to be expected that people will answer the obviously stated question.
 
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You posted a question in your title, then made your post more lengthy then most will take the time to read. So it's to be expected that people will answer the obviously stated question.
If you are correct, it is sad to hear that "most" people on a forum will not read an original post that is one and a half screens long. I set that as my normal limit. It is long enough to give a detailed enough picture for people to picture an appropriate response. It is not so long, however, that people should forget essential detail. I expect an OP to be considerably longer than most responses, because it is setting the stage.

One word responses I find ridiculously short, because they do not create any creditable picture. If I do picture something, it is probably mostly based on my biases, rather than on what the person was thinking. This was the second time that ev4989 responded "no", so what he was referring to is thoroughly ambiguous.
 

Lanolin

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No I believe in God and whatever the devil tries to do isnt going to work....the devil isnt for equality an never has been. Whatever kingdoms of this world (or beasts) are formed and reformed, via globliasation its all going to be crushed to a powder by the rock of Christ. In this way despite all the turmoil and destruction, (not because of it) the gospel will be spread further than ever.

All nations, tongues and tribes are going to recongise that He is Lord. eventually. so one needs to look beyond petty politics. I think even if you had that much power you would run and hide when God has pronounced His righteous judgement on you. You couldnt justify it by saying 'Im playing God'cos nobody has the right to be God except God himself and he has appointed Jesus to be the saviour, by nobody elses name can you be saved.

When Jesus was offered all the kingdoms of this world he actually refused it and told the devil to get lost. He wasnt even going to accept being king of the tiny kingdom of Judah.

those who work for satan are eventually just going to get tired of playing his wicked games. I killed so much people today, oh but more people are being born. dang. I killed off this country but look over here theres another one and they are still alive. crikey cant I just blow up the world and take all the money?