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Absolutely said:
Here ya go
This destoys your deal big time

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I don't believe it is true. He is making a claim that it can stop the virus from being able to infect the cells but it has not had that result in the trials. So he is lying. Again. You believe it just because he said so? I believe the tens of thousands of doctors and scientists who say it does not do this. You are the one drinking the koolaid. If it worked like that everyone would already be cured. BUT IT DOES NOT. One thing that I have learned from this crisis is that a lot of people are too trusting, or a lot of people are very ignorant. I am not sure which it is.
 
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It is my testimony over more than 20 years.

What do you have?

Just skeptical words.

I have the tools.
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The flu vaccine has myriads of published scientific data observable in the lab and seen actually killing the virus so we can demonstrate how and why it works, not just theorize it. That is science. Saying I think what I have been drinking or eating works, may be true or it may be coincidence. Maybe your immune system would have worked the same without your supplements. If you can demonstrate the how and why in a lab study then you have a reason to say that it worked like you think it does. But this is all elementary and everyone already knows this.
 
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The hydroxy was found out by accident in china.
The lupus patients weren't getting sick

Then by reasoning it was coupled with zinc.
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Hcq isn't safe enough to take out of hospital setting, as an over the counter medicine (plus there are people who need it regularly for their illnesses). It probably won't but it might slow the heart down enough to kill you, particularly, if you have arrhythmia or certain heart issues and you might not even know and now you can't even go to doctor to check if it's safe for you. Then you have a risk of being killed by hcq. At the same time you don't want to take vaccine, on one hand people say that covid isn't dangerous on another they are afraid enough to be willing to act risky taking hcq by themselves... (?)

Hcq when monitored and taken in hospital is another matter altogether and I'd take it. I have arrhythmia, btw.
 
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Are you serious?????

you really believe a VACCINE is the answer??????
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I would wait for more data to come out before I decided to take the vaccine but if my doctor said it was safe I would be more inclined to trust her then random conspiracy cuckoos on the internet
 
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It is not science to say that you ate something or drank something and it killed a virus. It is your opinion, your belief, but it is not science.
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There are opinions and claims in the the millions that oppose the status quo sciences

There are thousands of Doctors that support hydroxychloroquine for use in Covid19 treatment

Social media is using bias censorship to silence opposing voices.

The social media platforms will soon be designated as (Publishers) and be subject to civil lawsuits for their biased actions.
 
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Fatal arrhythmias: Another reason why doctors remain cautious about chloroquine/hydroxychloroquine for treating COVID-19

This one is from 2017 (so cannot be some paid shills) warning about the same potential of this med.
I understand that some people think hcq to be low risk, and it might be so. But if they were a doctor and if their reputation, work licence, basically whole life depended upon not accidentally killing their patient, I'd ask these people if they would speak the same. Not all that doctors say is to be evil big pharma and to stop people from healing. Sometimes they just don't want their patients dead by their own fault.
Do your homework people. Hcq may be dangerous out of hospital, the risk might be small but it is present.
 
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There are opinions and claims in the the millions that oppose the status quo sciences

There are thousands of Doctors that support hydroxychloroquine for use in Covid19 treatment

Social media is using bias censorship to silence opposing voices.

The social media platforms will soon be designated as (Publishers) and be subject to civil lawsuits for their biased actions.
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Yea, you said that already. And also people who make bogus unproven claims will get sued more often. But back to the topic of whether it works or not.

You can do a google search on how many doctors support using Hydroxy and you will find lots of articles to read. The consensus is the same across the board that the FDA has already reported. The data is not showing a significant difference in recovery rates. There is just no trend showing those who are taking it are getting better faster or anything like that. So I don't understand what all the emotional hype and rhetoric is about. Some random video, doctor or opinion here and there is not really the data you want to look at. It is the overall collection of data across all the hospitals where patients are receiving the drug as part of their treatment. There is not a recovery trend. So this demonstrates that it is not the cure that these fringe talking heads are claiming that it is.
 
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OK it's been fun. I am done trying to be the voice of reason on this particular topic. I will revisit it another day when more time has passed and more science has been collected. Until then I am thinking it might have helped some folks here and there but probably has to be just the right set of circumstances related to the immune reaction storm they are going through, such as helped slow a particular immune reaction that gave them the chance to over come the virus with their own immune system without their immune symptom reactions killing them. Whenever this has happened it gave the hope that the drug might be a cure, but in reality it did not have the same effect on most people.
 
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It is not science to say that you ate something or drank something and it killed a virus. It is your opinion, your belief, but it is not science.
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Of course, it is. The science does not get any better. God set it up that way. If you eat right, get the proper amount of sleep and exercise, and keep [certain things] in balance --- you are healthy. Otherwise, you are not. Do it God's way and there is no problem. What you eat and drink can have far more beneficial effect on your health than anything a doctor may prescribe for you. And, this is a long-time proven fact. (Not to mention, it is what we learn from the Bible.)

Concerned about finding a cure for cancer? Don't be. We already have one. It is in your body and mine (and everyone else) - since birth (or possibly before)! God put it there. It is part of our immune system. Only, the [evil] powers-that-be don't want you to know about it. And, it is highly unlikely that you will ever hear about it on TV.

(There is a lot more I would love to tell you - but, quite frankly, I don't feel like typing it all out right now.)

What you eat and drink - and, how it affects your health by virtue of your natural body chemistry - is absolutely most certainly 'science'.

Believe it!
 
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GaryA said:
Of course, it is. The science does not get any better. God set it up that way. If you eat right, get the proper amount of sleep and exercise, and keep [certain things] in balance --- you are healthy. Otherwise, you are not. Do it God's way and there is no problem. What you eat and drink can have far more beneficial effect on your health than anything a doctor may prescribe for you. And, this is a long-time proven fact. (Not to mention, it is what we learn from the Bible.)

Concerned about finding a cure for cancer? Don't be. We already have one. It is in your body and mine (and everyone else) - since birth (or possibly before)! God put it there. It is part of our immune system. Only, the [evil] powers-that-be don't want you to know about it. And, it is highly unlikely that you will ever hear about it on TV.

(There is a lot more I would love to tell you - but, quite frankly, I don't feel like typing it all out right now.)

What you eat and drink - and, how it affects your health by virtue of your natural body chemistry - is absolutely most certainly 'science'.

Believe it!
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cancers attack healthy people. A cell keeps replicating and wont turn off. A person can get a virus and be very healthy. Their immune system could be working on the virus and just about the time it defeats it the person drank a special smoothie. Then they go around telling everyone that this special smoothie cured them. It didn't but they think it did because of the timing. Not science. Speculation. This probably happens so often that people just go around repeating myths and no one can tell them different because by golly they were sick and they drank the smoothie and they got better and that proves it.
 
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I used to get the flu. I remember how bad it was, down for two weeks was about average. Of course I could not stay out of work that long so I am sure I infected others. I started taking the flu shot in the 90s, and I haven't gotten it since. I get the shot every year. The vaccine invoked my immunities and the antibodies made by my immune system killed the flu. :) Works as designed. All natural with a little help from the vaccine.
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You must be a Doctor or a Democrat, which one is it?
 
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cancers attack healthy people. A cell keeps replicating and wont turn off. A person can get a virus and be very healthy. Their immune system could be working on the virus and just about the time it defeats it the person drank a special smoothie. Then they go around telling everyone that this special smoothie cured them. It didn't but they think it did because of the timing. Not science. Speculation. This probably happens so often that people just go around repeating myths and no one can tell them different because by golly they were sick and they drank the smoothie and they got better and that proves it.
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You must be a Doctor or a Democrat, which one is it?
 
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She saying it does not make it so. She is a liar and a nut job.
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Even if it were true, there are lots of lying but jobs on the Twitter platform, and their not being removed.

As Absolutely stated, you on a team and it's not the team concerned with fairness and neutrality.

Twitter is looking for editors in review, perhaps many if your persuasion could find jobs?
 
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@Truth7t7 take it easy on your fellow Christian brother please. He is not hurting anyone with his opinion. It is important to respect others' right to their opinion even if you disagree with them.
 
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@Truth7t7 take it easy on your fellow Christian brother please. He is not hurting anyone with his opinion. It is important to respect others' right to their opinion even if you disagree with them.
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Take it easy, nothing was said that isn't easy.

Are you familiar with the word (Humor) or possibly your into the liberal left I'm so (Sensitive) movement, 100% political correctness?

Take a deep breath, relax, it's all ok now :)
 
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Take it easy, nothing was said that isn't easy.

Are you familiar with the word (Humor) or possibly your into the liberal left I'm so (Sensitive) movement, 100% political correctness?

Take a deep breath, relax, it's all ok now :)
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I don't think it's appropriate to command me when you haven't followed the command yourself. It's not good to exercise humor or sarcasm in a serious conversation as that is a form of disrespect and escape as in not having the courage to face up to the truth seriously.

Don't fall for Satan's sin of anger. I can sense much anger within you. It is making you not behave like a Christian and make assumptions about others without knowing much about them. You are wrong about me. I am a conservative Christian who supports President Trump. That doesn't mean I act tribally and stop conducting myself respectfully towards people of other Christian denominations or political views.

I pray to God that he shields you from Satan and keeps you conducting yourself respectfully (not sarcastically or with inappropriate humor) and to have the courage to keep a somber demeanor when it is called for, not run away from facing the truth in a serious manner.

Godspeed.
 
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"liberal left I'm so (Sensitive) movement, 100% political correctness?"

By the way, I am not into that at all. Quite the contrary. I hate false positivity and being nice just for the sake of being nice.

That said, do not confuse "political correctness" with "good conduct". The former is for people. The latter is for God.

Jesus Christ is always watching you. Conduct yourself in a way that makes him happy with your behavior not sad or dismayed.
 
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I don't think it's appropriate to command me when you haven't followed the command yourself. It's not good to exercise humor or sarcasm in a serious conversation as that is a form of disrespect and escape as in not having the courage to face up to the truth seriously.

Don't fall for Satan's sin of anger. I can sense much anger within you. It is making you not behave like a Christian and make assumptions about others without knowing much about them. You are wrong about me. I am a conservative Christian who supports President Trump. That doesn't mean I act tribally and stop conducting myself respectfully towards people of other Christian denominations or political views.

I pray to God that he shields you from Satan and keeps you conducting yourself respectfully (not sarcastically or with inappropriate humor) and to have the courage to keep a somber demeanor when it is called for, not run away from facing the truth in a serious manner.

Godspeed.
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Scribe you made sarcastic childish remarks calling me a 12 year old, get off your hypocrital soap box in accusation and come back to reality.

I'm old enough to have watched the Beetles on the Ed Sullivan show when it aired.

Jesus Christ Is Lord
 
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Scribe you made sarcastic childish remarks calling me a 12 year old, get off your hypocrital soap box in accusation and come back to reality.

I'm old enough to have watched the Beetles on the Ed Sullivan show when it aired.

Jesus Christ Is Lord
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Your attitude is not friendly right now. If you were pure on the inside you would not have a hostile demeanor nor get defensive. I tell people thank you and sorry when they point out mistakes in my self conduct. I don't get defensive nor call them hypocrites even if they were. The only people who get defensive are those not willing to accept Jesus Christ 100%. Think about it!

Also, I'm not that young. Don't worry. Still, younger people in the Bible had to correct the evil of older people in many stories in the Old Testament. So, never underestimate what the young could and should do. I am not threatened by young people though because I know I am a good person even if I make mistakes like everybody else from time to time. You don't have to be flawless to preach.
 
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