By Works

As I said, it seems clear in your mind, because you are reading Paul into all these verses.

John himself never believed your interpretation of John 3:16.

His letter to Israel in 1 John constantly reminded them that they can only expect to have eternal life, at the end when Jesus return for them.

1 John 1
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1 John 2
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

1 John 3

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

1 John 4
7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

1 John 5
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Have you realized that throughout all his 5 chapters, the same theme is repeated time and time again? Its hard not to get that conclusion what the apostle John is telling his Jewish betheren how to be right with God.

Good day sir, I never should have responded to you

Your again fishing

i believe whoever had saving faith has eternal life and that means his salvation is forever

you read into it what you will, but know if you say salvation can be forfiet you do not believe Jesus or his promise

What is your definition of fishing ?
Anyway it mean you don't believe the bible

Bible say no fruit > burn

You add Bible and say as long as have saving faith no fruit not burn

Bible say killer not inherit

You say Bible lie, as long as one have saving faith one can kill without repent and still go to heaven

you take a passage out of context

Lol whatever

john 3: 16 is clear, god gave his son, so whoever has faith will never die, it has eternal life

its clear. Anything that says eternal life can be lost is not of God

So you believe if one have saving faith, he can kill people without repent and still save only lose his reward?

John 3:16 is a simple straightforward verse:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The one who is continuing to believe (Greek present tense) will not perish, but is continuing to have (Greek present tense) everlasting life. Other Scriptures are clear that the one who is not believing in Jesus does not have eternal life. The verse does not say that once a person believes that they will always believe. Nor does it say that once a person has eternal life that they will always have eternal life. It just says the one who continues to believe will not perish and is having everlasting life! A wonderful truth! Hallellujah!

If a believer in Jesus commits a murder he is forgiven for that sin and thus he is not a "murderer". The grace and love and mercy of God is far greater and broader than most of us have any idea. But it is incongruent and incompatible for a believer with the Holy Spirit of God dwelling in Him to commmit a murder - James - teaches that a true faith will show by its works.

The issue of how a person is saved is not works -- we are not saved by our works nor are we kept saved by our works. But a true real faith will produce works - faith without works is dead James says. Hence James talks of being justified by works.

So you believe if one have saving faith, he can kill people without repent and still save only lose his reward?

John 3:16 is a simple straightforward verse:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The one who is continuing to believe (Greek present tense) will not perish, but is continuing to have (Greek present tense) everlasting life. Other Scriptures are clear that the one who is not believing in Jesus does not have eternal life. The verse does not say that once a person believes that they will always believe. Nor does it say that once a person has eternal life that they will always have eternal life. It just says the one who continues to believe will not perish and is having everlasting life! A wonderful truth! Hallellujah!

If a believer in Jesus commits a murder he is forgiven for that sin and thus he is not a "murderer". The grace and love and mercy of God is far greater and broader than most of us have any idea. But it is incongruent and incompatible for a believer with the Holy Spirit of God dwelling in Him to commmit a murder - James - teaches that a true faith will show by its works.

The issue of how a person is saved is not works -- we are not saved by our works nor are we kept saved by our works. But a true real faith will produce works - faith without works is dead James says. Hence James talks of being justified by works.

You are distorting the message of grace here... you slandering eternally security by arguing that is means "one can do evil that good may come."

People do this when they think they have something to add to their own salvation.

So you do believe killing people go to heaven because salvation by grace don't you?

You are distorting the message of grace here... you slandering eternally security by arguing that is means "one can do evil that good may come."

People do this when they think they have something to add to their own salvation.

Did Jesus distorting the message of grace?

Matt 25

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

Inherit kingdom/save because doing good for the poor.

Jesus distorting grace

I think works based salvation is a license to sin. This is what the Pharisees did. They had all the wonderful works of religion, but had no love for anyone. Works based salvation, causes a person to read scripture, and pray, and preach, while having no love at all for brothers and sisters, or possibly even God. You see the example of those people Jesusade an example of when they say Lord Lord, and he says I never knew you, and the reply but we did all the stuff, and he says go away you workers of iniquity.

If you think your works save you .. you nullify the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus.

if I have eternal life I have it.

This is nonsensical
if I have eternal life I have it. I can not have it one minute and not another minute

If it can be lost for any reason then it is not eternal life

If you think your works save you .. you nullify the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus.

Yes indeed!




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