What does it "REALLY" mean that Jesus Christ is the Son of God?

God's God is technically incorrect, as far as the Bible is concerned. What I said is God the Father in reference to the 1st person of the Godhead and he speaks to his Son. Either you take it as true or not and there is no middle ground. The true God the Father cannot make no mistake, so what he said is true, ikewise the scripture saying Jesus Christ as the true God as well.

Thank you. I hope Nehemiah will retract his false accusation. For his sake, not mine.

That’s your position. It’s also the position of other (but not all) trinitarians. It’s even the position of the JW’s.

I don’t disagree with that. In fact, I say the same thing.

You aren’t speaking to an atheist. You’re speaking to a Christian minister. An atheist might believe Biblical evidence is refutable, I don’t.

(1) I never ignore Biblical evidence.
(2) I’m addressing several topics with several people in this thread.

He swore by God. Have you ever wondered why the angel swore an oath when Jesus said not to?

The Son is prophesied about in the OT and spoken to in the OT. God spoke in many persons in the OT, contrasted with God speaking in his Son “in these last days”.

You have a different understanding than I do about this passage in particular, and many passages in general. I wouldn’t insult your intelligence by saying “You never refuted the Biblical evidence” nor would I say in the meandering conversations which you’ve engaged in with others in this thread that you are “ignoring it and changing the subject”.

The Son is the heir because he is the seed of Abraham. The Son didn’t create all things - even Justin Martyr was able to see that when he read scripture. The Father created all things through the Son, not by the Son.

It doesn’t mean that in Jewish monotheism.

Yes. “God“ is the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, Isaiah, etc. He is Yahweh - the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ.

John 1:1 is an echo of Genesis 1:1. There is no need for John to emphasize who existed in the beginning. Every Jew reading his Gospel already knew beyond a shadow of a doubt who existed before creation. The God who created the heavens and the earth by his creative word. The Father. Yahweh alone. By himself.

They weren’t “one and the same”. The angel was a representative of God. The angel was God’s shaliach. Much later, Jesus would also be God’s shaliach.

That’s right. Martin Luther King was not representing Martin Luther King. He is one person.

Had you attended an event where it was said the speaker came in the name of Martin Luther King you would have seen and heard someone who wasn’t himself Martin Luther King. You would have seen someone who represented him.

I don’t remember bringing up Exodus 3:6 at all in our conversations. Not in this thread. Not even on this web site.

If I had been with Moses, I would have done the same.

The list refers to many people, including but not limited to the Messiah. Exodus 3:2 doesn’t appear on the list because adoni does not occur in that verse.

God himself, the God [and Father] of Jesus Christ, called his Son (Jesus of Nazareth, whom you believe is God) “God“ (Heb. elohim; Gk. theos). The God of God called him God.

Here is what I see in this passage: The God [and Father] of Jesus Christ, called his Son (Jesus of Nazareth, a human person, the Christ) “God” (Heb. elohim; Gk. theos).

I’m a Jewish monotheist, not a trinitarian.

That’s absolutely right. If we don’t believe that then we might as well close our Bibles, throw them in the trash and talk about sweet Aunt Martha’s delicious cornbread.

I harmonize 1 John 5:20 with what the Christ said. What you said about his God and Father, I say also about him.

So you believe as @Nehemiah6 posted? According to him, God is the Father in one part of the sentence, and later in the same sentence God is the Son.

"In the beginning [eternity past] was the Word, and the Word [Christ] was with God [the Father], and the Word was God [the Son]. (John 1:1)"

Technically, I don't hold your God of God idea man. I hold what the scripture saith. Jesus is both the Son of God (diety) and the Son of Man (human).

What do you think of the verse? Let me know. Thanks

If you believe Jesus is God and that he also has a God...

I’ll be posting shortly on both titles.

I believe exactly what Jesus and John believed:

One of the scribes came and heard them debating, and recognizing that he had answered them well, asked Him, “What commandment is the foremost of all?” Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one, and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ The second is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” The scribe said to Him, “You are right, Teacher; You have truly stated that He is One, and there is no one else besides Him; and to love Him with all the heart and with all the understanding and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbor as himself, is much more than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.” When Jesus saw that he had answered intelligently, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God” (Mark 12:28-34).

"If" that is what you said, I believe Jesus is God-man.

So what do you believe exactly? Thanks

Unfortunately, Jewish monotheism will not get you into heaven, my friend.

Take a closer look at the New Covenant God has for us as written in the New Testament and hopefully, you will decide to follow Jesus, not merely as a man, but as the second person of God.

Only when you decide to give up the right to understand God as much He understands himself will you be able to humble yourself enough to take up your cross and follow Jesus.

I've done it and I have to tell you it is amazing to truly be under the power of the Holy Spirit, the third person of God.

I don't say all this because I think I am better than you, I have decided to follow Christ because, on my own, I am really, really bad.

Because Jesus is my God, Lord, and Savior, I now have the right to speak directly to the Father in the name of Jesus under the power of the Holy Spirit.

The best thing is, I don't have to obsess about any one particular doctrine such as predestination, pretribulation, or the trinity.

All I have to do is accept the free gift of salvation and believe that Jesus came to the earth fully God, fully man. He died on the cross to take the penalty for my wretched sins, past present and future.

He rose from the dead three days later to show his glory as God the Messiah. He sits at the right hand of the Father, not because He is subordinate, but because He is equal.

He sent the third person of God, the Holy Spirit, to teach and guide those who believe and convict those who don't.

If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Rom. 10: 9-10

Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah and Son of the living God, is himself a Jewish monotheist. Following his resurrection from the dead by his God, he ascended to his God. He is presently seated at the right hand of his God on his God’s throne in heaven. He will one day return and sit on David’s throne in Jerusalem. He is the seed of Abraham. All who belong to Messiah are Abraham’s seed, heirs according to promise.

Jesus is Lord. His God and Father is the one true God.

That’s not what I said.

Your concluding statement that there is no human person named Jesus of Nazareth is a lie from the devil!

"When he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to shout, “Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!” Mark 10:27

"Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know." Acts 2:22

I count 20 times where Jesus of Nazareth is in the Bible. Please notice in Acts 2:22, it even says Jesus of Nazareth was a MAN!

This error of trying to make Jesus only divine and not Human is an ancient heresy called docetism, which is the exact opposite of Arianism, where Jesus is only human, not divine.

The Trinity consists of three hypostases in one being or ousia.

"Hypostasis (Greek: ὑπόστασις, hypóstasis) is the underlying state or underlying substance and is the fundamental reality that supports all else."

"It was mainly under the influence of the Cappadocian Fathers that the terminology was clarified and standardized so that the formula "three hypostases in one ousia" came to be accepted as an epitome of the orthodoxdoctrine of the Trinity."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypostasis_(philosophy_and_religion)

God came to earth as a human, was born of the Virgin Mary, lived around 33 years, spent 3 years preaching the gospel, healing the sick. Then died on the cross taking our punishment. Only a human being could do that.

Your scholars are wrong. I'm on my second year of my PhD in theology, studying the nature of the Trinity, and I know I could quote you 20 or 30 scholars who would disagree with this ridiculous statement. Jesus is not 2 persons, but has two natures! WWI

Read the Bible and you will see Jesus of Nazareth was most certainly human and divine. A good book to read, which explains who Jesus is, including the incarnation, when Jesus was born as a human, is "Knowing God" By JI Packer.
Jesus has two natured, but is one hypostasis. God and yet man!

It isn’t my belief. I reject it. I affirm that there is a human person named Jesus of Nazareth.

Of course.

Dr. Craig is a trinitarian. He affirms the Council of Chalcedon. So do all of the other trinitarian scholars I quoted.

It should go without saying that a trinitarian isn’t an Arian. Since I’m no longer a trinitarian, I must announce whether I support Arianism or oppose it. I oppose it.

That is what Dr. Craig believes.

They aren’t my scholars. They are trinitarian scholars.

I would appreciate it if you would take the time to post a few of them.

That’s what Dr. Craig, as well as all of the other trinitarian scholars I quoted, believe.

First, kindly post the book, chapter and verse where your Bible quotes come from. It is sloppy exegetics to casually throw out, out of context verses, and not even tell people where they are found.

Paul was not talking about the Trinity in your quote. Looking back, he was explaining how there are no gods, only one God.

"So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5 For even if there are so-called gods,whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”),6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." 1 Cor 8:4-6

Paul most certainly believed Jesus was God as well as human, and so he is talking historical monotheism in this passage, as opposed to polytheism.

"Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen." Romans 9:5

"Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great:

He appeared in the flesh,
was vindicated by the Spirit,
was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations,
was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory." 1 Tim 3:16

Both these verses clearly state that Jesus was a human in flesh, but that he was also divine.

This is a chat forum. If it is a requirement of this site to post the book, chapter and verse then it should be stated somewhere. If it is, I haven’t seen it. If people ask, I will tell them. Sometimes I post the book, chapter and verse. Sometimes I assume fellow Christians know the book, chapter and verse. Sometimes I don’t. I’m sure we wouldn’t have to look hard to find others on this forum who do the same. Would we have to look hard to find you requesting them to do the same as you are politely requesting me?

Exactly.

Historical monotheism is Jewish monotheism.

See other translations of this verse.

I believe this translation is the correct way to render the passage.

I agree that both of these verses clearly state that Jesus is a human person.

Seems you're unable to handle 1 John 5:20
John 5:20, KJV: "And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life."

Please see the discussion in the trinitarian commentaries I posted.