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NetChaplain

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There’s nothing more encouraging and comforting than realizing that at rebirth, believers have all they will ever require to be pronounced innocent before Christ’s judgment seat! I often wonder how many believers there are who may at least wish or hope that rebirth is permanent. One truth is certain, it requires God to give the understanding that there is nothing He does in Christ that is not permanent! Unless I’m wrong, I have yet to encounter anything in His Word that appears to refute this issue. Yes, there is a change in the manner of dispensing His plans and mind between the OT and the NT, but this only concerns Him revealing more of His mind in all He is going do.

In His choosing Israel to be the first dispensing of the revelation of Himself to man, He has retained those who believed in Him (Jn 14:1), and the Jews who believe in Him at His last coming, them God will also retain and complete His plans for them in the Millennium. The only changes God makes are those concerning the manner of the dispensation He chooses to use to reveal His will. I have learned though, that the primary delay in understanding the issue of permanent security in Christ is in attempting to attribute to ourselves (other than receiving) anything that either effects and retains salvation.

It’s clear to all that only God effects salvation, but I believe the fullness of this understanding is gauged in how we comprehend its retention (afto pou paragei apokleistika, diatirei apo mono tou; what solely produces, solely retains; literal: what it produces exclusively, it maintains on its own). The Scriptural order is that salvation procures works, and not the inverse (believing and receiving are not works but gifts). Works manifest and not produces! James 2:24 “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified.” In this context, “justified” is defined as “to show or manifest one is righteous.” Not “to make one righteous,” as in Rom 8:33, “It is God who justifies.”
NC (apologize for the winded prologue)


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“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus” (Ro 8:1). If this can be successfully shown, many a doubt will disappear from weary hearts. In turning to John 5:24, we see “Hath everlasting life, and shall not come into judgement, but is passed from death into life.”

Who has the authority to pronounce absolute unconditional security of the believer and to guarantee immunity from coming judgement? None other than the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Quickener of the dead! His right and authority to announce beforehand the ultimate destiny of His own is unquestionable. Instead of standing in the dock as sinners and rebels, we shall sit on the bench as judges (1Co 6:2, 3).

At the Rapture, the believers are raised in glory (1Co 15:43). Consider the absurdity of believers in their glorified bodies, crowned and robed, morally and physically like the glorified Lord Jesus, standing trial before Him to see if they are fit for heaven and glory. A mere casual examination of the Scriptures must reverse such a conclusion.

The Judge was once God’s victim on the Cross for our sin (2Co 5:21). He bore our judgment, divine judgment due us. Our trial and judgment at Calvary are long since passed (since eternity past He’s known who will be His—NC). We are completely beyond judgment as is the Judge Himself. “Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the “Day of Judgment,” because as He is, so are we in this world (1Jn 4:17).

The feeblest and weakest of the Lord’s own are as safe from judgment as is Christ. Do not permit your assurance to be shaken by either your thoughts of unfitness, or the use of certain passages of Scripture that are wrested from their meaning and applied by blind leaders of the blind to undermine themselves and others.

We refer to such Scriptures as Matthew 24:13: “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.” An examination of the context will immediately clear up any doubt as to the meaning of this Scripture. There are dispensational differences in the Word, and this one has to do with the tribulation period.

Then, many have been troubled by Hebrews 6:1-12. This Epistle was written to Jewish professors who had renounced Judaism and turned to Christianity. These were in danger of apostasy from Christianity; therefore, there would be nothing else to turn to but a fearful looking forward to judgment (10:27). Verses 9 and 10 (chp. 6) show true believers, while the others were mere professors and not believers at all.

Condemnation is future and necessarily succeeds judgment. Romans 8:1 states no judgment and no condemnation. What a glorious position for the believer!


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It gives me great comfort to know that my salvation is secure because Jesus said that He has not lost one that the Father has entrusted in His care.
 

NetChaplain

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It gives me great comfort to know that my salvation is secure because Jesus said that He has not lost one that the Father has entrusted in His care.
Amen, and God bless! Some argue that Jesus lost Judas (Jhn 17:12), but this is in reference to his apostleship, which was just a position appointed by God who knew he would not believe. Judas was only convinced that Jesus was an innocent man (Mat 27:4) but never manifested anything indicating belief in Him.
 

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Amen, and God bless! Some argue that Jesus lost Judas (Jhn 17:12), but this is in reference to his apostleship, which was just a position appointed by God who knew he would not believe. Judas was only convinced that Jesus was an innocent man (Mat 27:4) but never manifested anything indicating belief in Him.
Interesting thing about Judas is that he is the only apostle that Jesus specifically called friend.
 

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Interesting thing about Judas is that he is the only apostle that Jesus specifically called friend.
Yes, good point! I've learned that it could be the Lord adding an urge of awareness to him in realizing what he has done, which he did eventually admitted as Him being innocent (Mat 27:4), but not in the sense as Lord but as a good man.
 

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Yes, good point! I've learned that it could be the Lord adding an urge of awareness to him in realizing what he has done, which he did eventually admitted as Him being innocent (Mat 27:4), but not in the sense as Lord but as a good man.
Maybe Jesus has a soft spot in His heart for the apostle that He called friend.
 

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Maybe Jesus has a soft spot in His heart for the apostle that He called friend.
Maybe, but difficult to consider: "Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?' (Jhn 6:70), and Jhn 6:64.

Plus this might be noteworthy:
And Jesus said unto him, Friend - It seems strange to us that Jesus should give the endeared name “friend” to a man that he knew was his enemy, and that was about to betray him.

It should be remarked, however, that this is the fault of our language, not of the original. In the Greek there are two words which our translators have rendered “friend” - one implying “affection and regard,” the other not. One is properly rendered “friend;” the other expresses more nearly what we mean by “companion.” It is this “latter” word which is given to the disaffected laborer in the vineyard: “‹Friend,‘ I do thee no wrong” Matthew 20:13; to the guest which had not on the wedding-garment, in the parable of the marriage feast Matthew 22:12; and to “Judas” in this place.

Wherefore art thou come? - This was said, not because he was ignorant why he had come, but probably to fill the mind of Judas with the consciousness of his crime, and by a striking question to compel him to think of what he was doing. - A Barnes
https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bnb/matthew-26.html

Forgive me too if I'm over-replying. Thanks for your input and God bless!
 

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Maybe, but difficult to consider: "Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?' (Jhn 6:70), and Jhn 6:64.

Plus this might be noteworthy:
And Jesus said unto him, Friend - It seems strange to us that Jesus should give the endeared name “friend” to a man that he knew was his enemy, and that was about to betray him.

It should be remarked, however, that this is the fault of our language, not of the original. In the Greek there are two words which our translators have rendered “friend” - one implying “affection and regard,” the other not. One is properly rendered “friend;” the other expresses more nearly what we mean by “companion.” It is this “latter” word which is given to the disaffected laborer in the vineyard: “‹Friend,‘ I do thee no wrong” Matthew 20:13; to the guest which had not on the wedding-garment, in the parable of the marriage feast Matthew 22:12; and to “Judas” in this place.

Wherefore art thou come? - This was said, not because he was ignorant why he had come, but probably to fill the mind of Judas with the consciousness of his crime, and by a striking question to compel him to think of what he was doing. - A Barnes
https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bnb/matthew-26.html

Forgive me too if I'm over-replying. Thanks for your input and God bless!
Regarding Judas, it just makes me so sad inside knowing that there will be those who will be eternally separated from God. Hard to say for sure how Jesus meant when He called him friend, but perhaps, based on context, it was not an affectionate use of the term. Jesus might be sad also knowing that Judas, according to scripture will be spending eternity separated from Jesus.

For the record, every post I have read of yours is noteworthy.

I have said a prayer for the salvation of Judas but, in all probability, it was all for naught.

Sad.
 

NetChaplain

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Regarding Judas, it just makes me so sad inside knowing that there will be those who will be eternally separated from God. Hard to say for sure how Jesus meant when He called him friend, but perhaps, based on context, it was not an affectionate use of the term. Jesus might be sad also knowing that Judas, according to scripture will be spending eternity separated from Jesus.

For the record, every post I have read of yours is noteworthy.

I have said a prayer for the salvation of Judas but, in all probability, it was all for naught.

Sad.
Appreciate the kind comment, and you can know that it's our intentions that determines genuine sincerity and not necessarily if we are aware if we are correct or not, because our intentions are always for truth and compassion. It is truly sad to those who are compassionate for the lost, esp. considering it will involve the majority of mankind (Mat 7:13, 14). But this causes us to put our compassion in God over all others, even of course self. If it's God's will (but though not His desire) that those who choose to remain evil perish, then we can accept the sadness, but not to being overburdened.