Chosen by God - A study in Election

well there is a reason we keep think you are exactly a Calvinist

MacArthur is a Calvinist of high regard (among others of his persuasion, even has his ticket to heaven stamped by Calvin) and you link to his site.

so, the problem YOU are having today and in the past, is people not believing you are not a Calvinist

perhaps you are just not up to proving your belief without a little help from mr grace to you?

I mean, honestly, if I do not refer to myself as a polar bear, I will not quote from sites run by polar bears and what they believe and say that is just what I believe only I am not a polar bear

Rom 11:36
For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom beglory forever. Amen.

Yes I understand Romans 10 (in my limited way). What we need to do is harmonize this with the doctrine of Sovereign choice, predestination foreordination from eternity past. All of which are indisputable doctrines of Scripture.

The bottom line is that true believers are indeed saved by faith through grace. But as far as God is concerned, all of this happened in eternity past according to His sovereign choice.

Quite simple really.

actually we should care as Calvinists quote MacArthur and seem to be quite in love with him

besides, the video I linked to makes the errors of Calvinism more than apparent and MacArthur cannot even explain why the discrepancies so there is nothing left for the Calvinists to do but mock or belittle

even better

these folks want to teach that the Holy Spirit regenerates UNBELIEVERS and then saves them

that is backwards. utterly without merit and not found in scripture

It is not possible to accept unconditional election without also accepting irresistible grace

I am inserting this video again with the note to pay special attention at the 4 minute mark when MacArthur states he cannot harmonize scripture that contradicts Calvinism

he does so in such a way as to illicit laughter from his audience

hahaha so funny. the Calvinist admits he cannot harmonize scripture but he should teach us all about how Calvinism is biblical

he needs a good smack upside his noggin with the Bible. a hard bound copy

It is because he does not accept limited atonement, unless he has changed his mind ... but Calvinism only works as a system that must be taken as a whole.

Exactly . Just posting the verses doenst say much does it. I just posted the verse back and hoped you would read my mind .

Your the most Calvinistic non calvinist on here then . You just need to say ' doctrines of grace " , The golden chain of redemption " and keep quoting dead theologians and you will be almost there

I will answer your nonsense in full, but just to help you out...
whosoever is not in the text.
The text actually says everyone believing, and continuing to believe,lol
look it up big guy,l

3¶If his offering be a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish: he shall offer it of his own voluntary will at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD.
see , does that help ?

Here are some more words from Jesus about God's Sovereign choice. It appears as if the Nazarites are filled with wrath because Jesus is implying that they are not chosen!

Luke 4:25
But in truth, I tell you, there were many widows in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the heavens were shut up three years and six months, and a great famine came over all the land, but to none of them was Elijah sent except to Zarephath, in the region of Sidon, to a woman who was a widow. And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet, and none of them was cleansed except Naaman the Syrian.” So all those in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath

hmm..well that alone is a good illustration of the problems. no one can get past the contradictions without insulting the Bible

but you know that. this is such an insidious belief system

he also states that it is not his problem to harmonize the scriptures concerning the differences with regards to Calvinism, which, it seems to me, illustrates the disdain exemplified by so many hard core Calvinists

Do you also believe support the doctrine of irresistible grace?

You are going to have to prove that Paul, John the Baptist and Jeremiah (and so many others) were not the beneficiaries of irresistible grace.

How about recently dead theologians like J.I. Packer?

Well........I suppose we are waiting for YOUR harmonization of predestination and free will.

Answer me one question: Did the apostles choose Christ or did Christ choose them?

And you are confusing the election OF SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS for ministry and service with the election of sinners for salvation. Huge difference.

You could include Moses, Elijah, David, and Solomon, etc. (including all the apostles) in that pantheon. Throughout the history of Israel, God chose (elected) certain men for certain tasks. You see this in the book of Judges. Gideon did not believe that he should be a deliverer in Israel, but God chose him for that job. Christ chose Peter as the apostle to the Jews (even after he denied the Lord thrice) and then He chose Paul as the apostle to the Gentiles, even though he murdered Christians.

But none of this has a bearing on salvation. Since salvation is offered to all, God cannot possibly choose some for salvation. That is why He requires OBEDIENCE TO THE GOSPEL. So you need to learn about this matter.

Not read his works but some say he's a 'lower 'calvinist .