Ginsberg went home

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Of course you can't see how, none of us can if we look through our eyes, we are not to do so, if we are born again, spirit filled, we are no longer our own and we no longer see through our own eyes but take everything to the father and see the world through His lens, His eyes.
To make a statement like that is to take presume His ways are your or ours ways, we know that is not true.
We MUST NOT lean on our own understanding, but in AL our ways acknowledge Him, then He WILL make straight our path.
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Yes, I know the Steve Job's story well. "Wow, wow, wow"

Also, interesting is what I have learned from Hospice nurses of what those near death do and say. Far too many have had this experience for me NOT to believe that they saw into the Afterlife & were reassured. By the way, they come from all walks of life (all religions & even some atheists).
However, there are a number of experiences (they say it is in the minority) that were "Hellish" .. in NDE's which is not the same as Near Death.

My FIL spoke to people in the same room (all of them had passed on). We could not see them, but he did. He was not on any psychotropic drugs. My mother, who loved & followed Jesus ... and prayed to Him ceaselessly, also called out to her Mother and Sister (both gone). There are so many stories ... too many to put here.

I have found myself judging murderers, rapist, pedophiles and other horrific people ... and I guess I have to stop that because I have no idea what God will decide and He is the Master.
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I could agree, there are thief's on the cross, and none of us can see the book of life?

But looking at the Life of Ruth Ginsburg?

If she makes the pearly gates, I guess there's room for Hitler, Mao, and Stalin tooooo.

What do I believe reality is?

The same as the majority of posters on this board.

Just think she upheld killing the unborn (Abortion) over her 27 years, homosexuality and same sex marriage?

Hebrews 10:31KJV
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

2 Peter 2:6KJV
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
 
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shittim said:
My own grandfather appeared at the time of his passing for a brief moment, I mentioned this a few years later at a family reunion, two cousins of mine had the same experience at the same moment of his crossing over.
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@shittim .. Can you please explain what you mean about your Grandfather apopearing at the time of his passing for a brief Moment and then at the family reunion your two cousins experiencing he same thing?

Are you saying that you saw him and that they saw him at the moment of his passing? This is very important to me.

I will relay a story I rarely tell: here it is:

My Uncle died many years ago. It was unexpected. I did not know he was ill. I lived hundreds of miles away.
I woke up around 3a m in the morning/sat up in bed and said to my husband "My Uncle has just died". I did not see him, but I sensed that it had happened. Four hours later, at 7am in the morning, the phone rang. It was my father telling me that my Uncle had passed away that night.
My husband just stared at me in shock. I dont know why, but I never thought about it too much until many years later when I had another similar but not as definitive experience. I have asked many,many people about the odds of this being a coincidence, and no one has an answer.

So, I am hoping you can explain about your Grandfather's appearance to you and them? If you can be so kind, I would greatly appreciate it. Many thanks.
Ann Marie
 
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He judges the heart. I have heard various teachings that seem to line up with experiences I have read of and personally been a part of in peoples passing, Steve Jobs for one claimed to be buddhist yet on his deathbed, as he passed , he looked up into the corner of the room and went "oh wow! oh wow!" as he "gave up the ghost". Later we find he was baptized christian early in life and we know Jesus spoke of the 12, "none of these you have given me have I lost".
Perhaps these misguided statements of someone "going to hell" and "let's no mince words", are from the adversary, they don't line up with the Galatians 5 attributes of love, joy, peace, etc.
Several that I know had a time at the end where they looked up in the upper corner of the room, about enough time to hear someone say, "come up here", and then went unconscious and the body then slowly shutdown, peacefully and quietly.
James Dobson spoke of his father, who had always said he wanted to go home with his family around him, on one Thanksgiving had just said grace then laid down his head and was gone.
None of us will ever understand fully the love of God and His ways.
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You now have (Steve Jobs) going to heaven, looking into the corner of a room, Oh Wow, Oh Wow?

Sounds Like That Movie (All Cats Go To Heaven) :)

Matthew 7:13-14KJV
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
 
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whichever it is, she is on the way or there right now.
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She's passed through the veil, and one thing I could honestly say, I wouldn't wish the Lake Of Fire on anyone, that's why we need to share the gospel, plant the seed, reap the harvest.

Hell and the Lake Of Fire are a reality!

Matthew 16:26KJV
26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Revelation 20:11-15KJV
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 
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I have noticed that some believe that one particular belief system WITHIN Christianity ONLY is the only way to Heaven. I think that is a narrow view for a narrow god.

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Jesus is the ONLY way.
So yes the True God is a narrow God.

Matthew 7:13-14 (KJV)
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
 
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Speculating that someone went to Hades (meaning is the grave) is very true. If, on the other hand, you mean Hell, I think that that is best left to God to decide. You do not know her heart. I have noticed that some believe that one particular belief system WITHIN Christianity ONLY is the only way to Heaven. I think that is a narrow view for a narrow god.

My question for any of you who might remember: where did the Jewish victims of the Holocaust go?
Specifically, where did Anne Frank, a Jewish girl of 15, raised in Judaism and who believed and followed what she was taught to believe and follow, go?

Can we blame people for being born into and believing what their parents teach them? Can they blame and judge us for being "wrong"? Or is God wider than that? You will say Iesus said, I am the way, the truth ... etc. Is it possible that Jesus can be experienced through a different vortex? Currently this is the belief of Mainline Christianity, Catholicism, Mainline Muslimism AND Judaism.

Perhaps ... God is bigger and greater than anything we can understand.
May she rest in Peace.
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You try Desparately to promote all roads lead to heaven, Judaism, Muslim, Christianity?

Jesus Christ Is The Only Way To The Father,

John 14:6KJV
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 10:9KJV
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Acts 4:12KJV
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
 
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no, I don't believe she is "trying desperately to promote" anything.
The thief on the cross was promised he would be with Jesus in paradise.
What if a person whose heart has been judged to be worthy is greeted by Jesus as the veil is parting? His ways are not our ways, and we know it isn't His will that any perish.
Blessings
 
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Ann-Marie: Yes, it seems to tie into how when we shed the "earth clothes" our spirit body is still in existence, he appeared for just a second or so, as if allowed to say goodbye, and be assured all were well.
It seems we are surrounded by those who have gone before, Paul spoke of this. God operates in the Quantum realm, and we will as well when we cross over.
I know of a village in Turkey where Jesus appeared to everyone in the village in one night, if they were awake He appeared in person, if they were asleep, He appeared in a dream. In one night the whole village was converted from islam to Christ. This is an example of the Quantum realm.
Most who claim to be Christian today operate in an "outward form" of godliness denying the power and reality of the spiritual realm.
When His truth is shared the adversary will always attempt to interject and thwart it, expect this communication between you and I to be attacked somehow.
Praying for you in Jesus name.
Bless you
 
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I believe He allows us to be connected in the Quantum realm, Dr. Caroline Leaf has MUCH to say , she has a TED talk that is illuminating and is a great introduction to her work in explaining how science confirms the Word of God.
 
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Just heard Ruth Ginsberg has gone home, she was hanging on in hope the President God raised up would not select her successor, can't thwart God's plan.
Thank you Lord! Now, several prophetic speakers I know say He will select two, looks like after he is reelected for the next one.
Blessings
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Well she's gone, but I don't know if she's gone "home". I hate to see anyone pass from cancer, but I do hope Trump moves quickly to put someone in her place, though her "wish" was for it to remain empty hoping Harris,I mean Biden would make the pick.
 
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Schumer wants to wait for the new President... since the man God raised up for such a time as this is going to be reelected, we cannot wait 5+ years.(y);):giggle::unsure:
 
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I hope Mitch Mcconnell nominates and drives the horse home "Quick", (No More Mr. Nice Guy)!

Right now the court is 5/4 liberal leaning, this nomination and confirmation would tilt the scale!

John Roberts is a closet Liberal, a big disappointment, a George Bush appointment.
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He made a statement last night that he was ready to go. They have the votes. This will enrage the radicals ever further. Brace yourselves.
 
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Ann-Marie: Yes, it seems to tie into how when we shed the "earth clothes" our spirit body is still in existence, he appeared for just a second or so, as if allowed to say goodbye, and be assured all were well.
It seems we are surrounded by those who have gone before, Paul spoke of this. God operates in the Quantum realm, and we will as well when we cross over.
I know of a village in Turkey where Jesus appeared to everyone in the village in one night, if they were awake He appeared in person, if they were asleep, He appeared in a dream. In one night the whole village was converted from islam to Christ. This is an example of the Quantum realm.
Most who claim to be Christian today operate in an "outward form" of godliness denying the power and reality of the spiritual realm.
When His truth is shared the adversary will always attempt to interject and thwart it, expect this communication between you and I to be attacked somehow.
Praying for you in Jesus name.
Bless you
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Thank you for your response. It means a lot to me. I am a Christian and I am not trying to convince anyone not to be.

i have heard enough & experienced enough to believe all that you say is true. There is a spiritual realm ... and why not? It makes so much sense to me. I have experienced it, I know others who have, and now I hear still more from you. I believe~ and I feel blessed to have had a few experiences in this realm and now to hear yours. I thank you so much for sharing. Also, I dont believe it is an accident that I, who am newly writing on this site, saw your post about just this subject. God DOES work in mysterious and wonderous ways.

Peace and Blessings to you as well.
Ann Marie.
 
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shittim said:
I believe He allows us to be connected in the Quantum realm, Dr. Caroline Leaf has MUCH to say , she has a TED talk that is illuminating and is a great introduction to her work in explaining how science confirms the Word of God.
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Thank you, once again. I will look into Dr. Caroline Leaf on Ted talk. Bless you.
Ann Marie
 
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Speculating that someone went to Hades (meaning is the grave) is very true. If, on the other hand, you mean Hell, I think that that is best left to God to decide. You do not know her heart. I have noticed that some believe that one particular belief system WITHIN Christianity ONLY is the only way to Heaven. I think that is a narrow view for a narrow god.

My question for any of you who might remember: where did the Jewish victims of the Holocaust go?
Specifically, where did Anne Frank, a Jewish girl of 15, raised in Judaism and who believed and followed what she was taught to believe and follow, go?

Can we blame people for being born into and believing what their parents teach them? Can they blame and judge us for being "wrong"? Or is God wider than that? You will say Iesus said, I am the way, the truth ... etc. Is it possible that Jesus can be experienced through a different vortex? Currently this is the belief of Mainline Christianity, Catholicism, Mainline Muslimism AND Judaism.

Perhaps ... God is bigger and greater than anything we can understand.
May she rest in Peace.
Amen.
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The problem with that POV is that everyone makes it to heaven, no matter what they believe, as long as they believe in some form of a god. Like many say Muslims do. Now I do believe there will be many in heaven that we would not expect to be there, and there will be many in hell that we do not expect to be there. But we must be careful of twisting the Word. It's not what's over the door of your church that saves you, it's a personal relationship with Christ. I don't see any way around that in Scripture. But when someone famous passes we tend to want to wish them into heaven if they were what we consider was a "good" person. But that's not what gets us into heaven. Yes, only God knows the heart, but this woman was a very secular liberal and stood 100% behind Planned Parenthood. Being Jewish she would have know abortion was sin. So I don't see any fruit in her life that she had a personal relationship with God. The Bible says no one will have an excuse, no one will be able to say they simply didn't know. God moves on each heart, it's up to us to allow Him in.
 
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Does anyone here take solace in thinking that someone has gone to Hell to suffer for Eternity? I think THAT is the sin. Seriously, dont we just let God, who knows the heart of every one of us, decide?

I don't think anyone gleefully thinks that a person has gone to hell. Not anyone who truly believes in hell. God does decide, but your saying lets just assume that everyone who dies, no matter how they live, goes to heaven. The Bible says we will know them by their fruits. Ginsburg was radically liberal for her time in her beliefs. I don't see anything in her life that would say she knew the Lord.


Personally, I find it very sad that anyone would go to Hell. I do realize she was not Christian, was not ProLife, and she was for gay rights. The only I issue I might have with her is the Prolife issue ... but even that can only be recinded by the Supreme Court and for over 50 years ... with both Republican and Democratic Presidents, nothing has changed. Maybe someone who knows more about Law can explain to me why nothing has been done.

PS: Perhaps on her deathbed, she asked God for forgiveness ... and does He grant it when we Repent?

Yes, she may have made a deathbed confession. We don't know and I hope she did. But barring that, and that is rather wishful thinking, I do not see where she would have gone to heaven with her POVs.



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you must be follower of Jesus Christ and his teachings, regardless of your background. A relationship with Jesus Christ and being filled with the Holy Spirit is more than enough to get you home. None of you have any excuse for being ignorant of the written word and Gods glory. His words stand true as they did when they were first written. Evil is sin, and wont be tolerated, period.
 
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Ann-Marie said:
Yes, I know the Steve Job's story well. "Wow, wow, wow"

Also, interesting is what I have learned from Hospice nurses of what those near death do and say. Far too many have had this experience for me NOT to believe that they saw into the Afterlife & were reassured. By the way, they come from all walks of life (all religions & even some atheists).
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But that's not what the Bible says. Someone who is an unbeliever, an atheist, or believe in another god, will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Whatever they saw, it was not God welcoming them home, I'm sorry.



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However, there are a number of experiences (they say it is in the minority) that were "Hellish" .. in NDE's which is not the same as Near Death.
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My FIL spoke to people in the same room (all of them had passed on). We could not see them, but he did. He was not on any psychotropic drugs. My mother, who loved & followed Jesus ... and prayed to Him ceaselessly, also called out to her Mother and Sister (both gone). There are so many stories ... too many to put here.
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Once a person has passed, they are gone. You cannot speak to someone who has passed into the next life.

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I have found myself judging murderers, rapist, pedophiles and other horrific people ... and I guess I have to stop that because I have no idea what God will decide and He is the Master.
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Are you a believer yourself? No, you are right to judge. Unless they repent of their sin, they will die in their sin. A murderer, rapist, pedophile etc. cannot enter heaven unless they truly repent and change their path. That is what the Bible says.
 
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