How old is our creation really?

This is a common response that comes up. This is the typical link I share. I will also reach out to some actual geologist I know and others at BL. Many of them have actively studied this exact situation not only at St. Helens but other volcanos.
Once I get better info and more links, I’ll read through it and cite it.

https://www.noanswersingenesis.org.au/mt_st_helens_dacite_kh.htm

That’s definitely not what the bible teaches.

Did you ever answer this question I asked? Did Aarons dead rod produce ripe almonds overnite .. Then later put in the ark of the covenant to keep and remind ?

Numbers 17
3 And thou shalt write Aaron's name upon the rod of Levi: for one rod shall be for the head of the house of their fathers.
4 And thou shalt lay them up in the tabernacle of the congregation before the testimony, where I will meet with you.
5 And it shall come to pass, that the man's rod, whom I shall choose, shall blossom: and I will make to cease from me the murmurings of the children of Israel, whereby they murmur against you.

7 And Moses laid up the rods before the LORD in the tabernacle of witness.
8 And it came to pass, that on the morrow Moses went into the tabernacle of witness; and, behold, the rod of Aaron for the house of Levi was budded, and brought forth buds, and bloomed blossoms, and yielded almonds.

Other creation lies that evolutionists have no answer but to simply deny the truth ..

Her statement is not denying she’s a scientist.... she’s a scientist. What she’s saying is that her job as a scientist is simply to produce the data and that she has no secret agenda. Scientists dig out the data and interpret it as it teaches. They don’t have a agenda. They test hypothesis and sometimes are wrong showing they do t have agendas.

If you read the article you would have she tells you what here agenda was and it wasn't in keeping with scientific agenda but her own economic agenda. While she claims she got letters telling her "we should have had more data" she doesn't say who the letters were from, whether they were from other scientists or Christians. However she does continue with her rationale for ignoring her criticis, "there was no way to get more data without more funding and no way to get more funding without publishing our initial results.

And no, a scientist job is not to produce data, it is collect data. If you understood what produces data then you wouldn't have a problem distinguishing the difference between produced and collected data. So if you think they are the same, then do you think it is a job of a detective to produce data (cause (a particular result or situation) to happen or come into existence.) or to collect data (bring or gather together (things, typically when scattered or widespread) that a suspect committed a crime.

Since this is not my particular area of expertise I made a post on BioLogos for others to join in all. My main focus is evolutionary biology and ecology within the overlap of botany and entomology.

I believe those other links on the link I shared brings up enough info to undermine the belief that the data from a single scientist contradicts all the work and studies by hundreds of other scientist. But as someone who is always willing to pursue the truth without being hindered by agendas I’ll put in some extra work.

This is a link on BL Incase anyone wants to follow it.

https://discourse.biologos.org/t/an...t-helens-undermining-radiometric-dating/44122

While the Bible is known to make gigantic leaps in time without specific details. It seems at first sight Abraham was born about 2000 years after Adam. This would show us a young creation according to our Bible.

Yet science had me almost convinced our earth is billions of years old. But knowing they lie and mock anyone raising serious questions I denounced science when it comes to our origins. I was really devoted in my studies but all I found was slander, corruptions, half truths to sell a full lie...

Yet my own mind raised a serious question last night: If our God is infinite, why would He only start creating roughly 6000 to 10000 years ago?

Maybe I should rewatch my beliefs on this and only see human life as a young creation? Any insight in this is very welcomed.

Where is the data on fish mutating into amphebia into reptiles into birds and mammals into humans?
Science has been wrong and corrected over and over again through history and it will be so again with the theory of evolution.

Evolution by mutation is not logical; but evolution through interbreeding on a world with more genetic variation seems to be reasonable. “It’s in the fossil record Skovand” from now on I’ll use that as argument too lol.

The fact is we don't know. It says in Genesis that God created the heavens and the earth and it was without form and void. Nowhere does it say how long it was without form and void. It could have been a year, 10 years, 100 years, a 1,000 years. All we can do is say that from Adam and Eve it is so many years old.

I imagine it did. The context of the story is not mythological. The story of Moses spans 5 books and just a few generations.

I did not answer because it’s not related whatsoever to the thread.

We are not talking about a unverifiable miracle. The Bible talks about miracles. We are talking about scientific evidence that we can see relating to millions of years. Big difference.

Just because I believe Jesus literally resurrected from the dead as explained in detail from four books and then repeatedly brought up as a main fact over dozens of books does not mean that’s the same contextual analysis of 11 chapters in genesis.

Again pick any 11 chapters from the Torah after genesis 11 and pick any 11 chapters from the gospels or Paul’s epistles and then compare the textual style to that of genesis 1-11. It shows genesis 1-11 is don’t way more so on the writing style of something like Psalm 74 which mentions god battling a multi headed serpent like sea monster.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/loi/14209101

https://www.journals.elsevier.com/journal-of-human-evolution

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/evolutionary-human-sciences


That’s three scientific peer reviewed journals and the last two are specifically on solely human evolution. This last link directs you to Harvard’s Department of Human Evolution with multiple secondary links to journals, talks, and ways to contact professors.

https://heb.fas.harvard.edu/news

The difference is that my argument is actually in the fossil record. Just go get any single book on evolution or read through any single evolutionary journal. Common descent is what it’s all about. It’s not my fault that you literally disagree with 99.99%+ of what science and scientists teach and believe. I’m not able to teach you what your school system should have taught you over 6+ years from middle school through high school.

Bwahahaha , I was taught that lie all my life .. Getting schooled about 200 yr old dinosaurs was always my favorite segments . Now that I can think and weigh ''ALL'' the evidence for myself for myself I love dinosaurs even more but from a totally new God taught young earth perspective and with a whole lot more spice .. And I was taught that all life has come from a primitive simple single cell randomly formed by chance in a mud puddle once upon a time, long, long ago .. How ? Just trust us, use your imagination and forget all those pesky details .. lol ..

It does say, you're the one saying God is a liar ..


It is all in your face .. How is a dead almond stick that buds , flowers, produces ripe olives sometime during overnite and told that it would happen to someone who believes God is not relevant to creation , you're nuts !!! The rod was dead and it takes years for an almond tree to mature and began producing almonds to begin with, but a dead tree ? You tell me, can a dead anything produce ? ... You're nuts if you can't make the connection .. God called and spoke the natural creation into being from the supernatural existence And you're blind and faithless if you refuse see supernatural creation .. Please take your red grading pencil then mark all the scripture you grade untrue by your standards then throw your worthless bible in the trash if it has even one red mark ..

Here's another question . Why did Jesus speak in parables to the people sometimes ? Because some truths require keys and must me revealed in spirit by Spirit .. And that's why you see evidence like soft dino tissue right in your face but you can't face it , you love your lies .. Your business, but why try to convince your unbiblical secular beliefs among Christians ? Are you needing to impress and commit spiritual adultery with young Christians, are you wanting to shipwreck their faith when you can't even answer all the questions yourself .. You ain't God but you could hear God if you had ears to hear . You don't even question your gods
Psalm 74 ?, maybe you need to read it yourself ''a few hundred times''
And you must seek if you want to find .. 2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Except it’s not based out of faith guy lol. It is thinking for myself and looking through all the scientific data systematically.

You’re saying pesky details in science but ignoring the fact you’re using 11 chapters from thousands of years ago wrote by guys who thought all virgins bleed and that the earth was flat.... mountains of not only pesky details but massive issues.

I’m not nuts..... I’m someone who lays attentions to contextual analysis. It’s how I can tell the difference between the symbolism in revelation and the historical account in exodus and Matthew. The narrative sets up the type of literature we are reading.

I also highly suggest you read some works by theologians and scholars in interpreting scripture and learning writing styles, word studies and how it all is filtered through ancien world views.

Except it’s not based out of faith guy lol. It is thinking for myself and looking through all the scientific data systematically.

You’re saying pesky details in science but ignoring the fact you’re using 11 chapters from thousands of years ago wrote by guys who thought all virgins bleed and that the earth was flat.... mountains of not only pesky details but massive issues.

You either believe all scripture is inspired by God or not. That is why I told you to feel free to take your red grading pencil and correct all the lies you think are there then throw it in the trash .. You're on a Christian message board and can't answer any questions .. You are unable to see the scientific facts that refute your evolution ''non-facts'' or factor in supernatural truth that trumps any supposed science at any time .. Your thoughts are incomplete and totally biased against God .. Mt St Helens is observed facts that shoots holes in your fairy tale assumptions, Aarons rod producing mature ripe olives and kept for year and maybe to this day to this day with manna and the stone commandments, the dinosaur with man proofs, Jesus's genealogy back to Adam and Eve, the y chromosome Eve and x-chromosome Noah, the un-evolutional ape hands specifically designed for climbing created from the beginning , the irriducible complexity of cell structure and functions, world wide recent flood proofs .. And you think I ignore ? You're nuts