Does the Lord condemn based on the day we worship?

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Romans 14: 5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
 
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Hope not because it would be hard not to be condemned since we are to worship Him every day!
 
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If the Believers Trust and Faith are not placed and maintained exclusively in Christ and the Cross (Rom. 8:2), they have removed themselves from Christ (Gal. 1:6, Gal. 2:21, Rev. 3:1). Therefore, they must keep every jot and tittle of the Word of God in their own strength, ability, willpower, and understanding, etc,.

If it is Christ only without the Cross, you have chosen another Jesus.
 
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MessageOfTheCross said:
If the Believers Trust and Faith are not placed and maintained exclusively in Christ and the Cross (Rom. 8:2), they have removed themselves from Christ (Gal. 1:6, Gal. 2:21, Rev. 3:1). Therefore, they must keep every jot and tittle of the Word of God in their own strength, ability, willpower, and understanding, etc,.

If it is Christ only without the Cross, you have chosen another Jesus.
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is this after were saved or before ?
 
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MessageOfTheCross said:
If the Believers Trust and Faith are not placed and maintained exclusively in Christ and the Cross (Rom. 8:2), they have removed themselves from Christ (Gal. 1:6, Gal. 2:21, Rev. 3:1). Therefore, they must keep every jot and tittle of the Word of God in their own strength, ability, willpower, and understanding, etc,.

If it is Christ only without the Cross, you have chosen another Jesus.
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what about Jesus in Revelation?

He is on a white horse there. no cross in sight.

who put Jesus on the cross? who raised Him back to life?

Jesus bore our sins and the wrath of God. I don't know how you think faith in the cross keeps you because I am kept by the Spirit of God

I don't depend on my own strength, ability, willpower, understanding or my standing before God who is holy, just and true

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Romans 8:2

I trust in Jesus and His death in my place, not Swaggartism and all this obsession with a cross

and here comes one of those x's
 
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Does the Lord condemn based on the day we worship?

no but some people do and that is why Paul says give them no mind.

6Therefore, just as you have received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to walk in Him, 7rooted and built up in Him, established in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.

8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. 9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. 10And you have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

11In Him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christb and not by human hands. 12And having been buried with Him in baptism, you were raised with Him through your faith in the power of God, who raised Him from the dead.

13When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our trespasses, 14having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross! 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

16Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.c 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you with speculation about what he has seen. Such a person is puffed up without basis by his unspiritual mind. 19He has lost connection to the head, from whom the whole body, supported and knit together by its joints and ligaments, grows as God causes it to grow.

20If you have died with Christ to the spiritual forces of the world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its regulations: 21“Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!”? 22These will all perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23Such restrictions indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-prescribed worship, their false humility, and their harsh treatment of the body; but they are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.
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See? This is the problem with the world, they are taught you can have Jesus and the world, wrong. Its one or the other, you cant serve both. Your either for him, or your against him. every day must be with passion, sacrifice if neccesary and great love for the lord. The enemy decieves you with promises of trinkets and baubles, and most of you fall for it. The time is fast coming where you will have to make the choice, repent now while there is till time.
 
MessageOfTheCross

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MessageOfTheCross said:
If the Believers Trust and Faith are not placed and maintained exclusively in Christ and the Cross (Rom. 8:2), they have removed themselves from Christ (Gal. 1:6, Gal. 2:21, Rev. 3:1). Therefore, they must keep every jot and tittle of the Word of God in their own strength, ability, willpower, and understanding, etc,.

If it is Christ only without the Cross, you have chosen another Jesus.
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The yardstick is "The Cross of Christ." That, and that alone, is the measuring line. If Preachers aren't preaching the Cross regarding Salvation and Sanctification, which refers to the Scriptural fact that the Cross is to be the foundation of all things, then whatever it is they are preaching is not the Gospel. They become enemies of God who are Satan ministers.
 
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MessageOfTheCross said:
The yardstick is "The Cross of Christ." That, and that alone, is the measuring line. If Preachers aren't preaching the Cross regarding Salvation and Sanctification, which refers to the Scriptural fact that the Cross is to be the foundation of all things, then whatever it is they are preaching is not the Gospel. They become enemies of God who are Satan ministers.
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with one look, Jesus could reach any and every heart even slightly turned to Him or searching

you, with all your snorting and foaming at the mouth are a major turn off

maybe Jimmy should have kept it zipped. yes I said that. he is sorry he got caught is what he is sorry about

you never say a word for the One who is supposed to be your Savior. just Jimmy says this and Jimmy says that

have you actually met Jesus? do you know why the elders cast their crowns at Him?

not because they are afraid

x anyone?

Jesus said if He is lifted up He will draw all men to Him. the cross was an instrument. the veil was torn from top to bottom

how are you so brainwashed by someone who pickled his brain with porn?
 
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MessageOfTheCross said:
The yardstick is "The Cross of Christ." That, and that alone, is the measuring line. If Preachers aren't preaching the Cross regarding Salvation and Sanctification, which refers to the Scriptural fact that the Cross is to be the foundation of all things, then whatever it is they are preaching is not the Gospel. They become enemies of God who are Satan ministers.
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The only way to God is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6)...the only way to Jesus Christ is by the Means of the Cross (Luke 14:27). The only way to the Cross is a denial of self (Luke 9:23). If any person tries to come any other way, Jesus says, "they are a thief and a robber" (John 10:1).

Many are close to being born-again, but fall short because they can’t die to self. They cannot learn God’s Righteousness. Isa. 26:10
 
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Blik said:
Romans 14: 5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
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Paul’s conclusion really helps with these verses he was telling them not to be judging each other Based on external things like days , foods ect and explaining why

“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:10-13‬ ‭

paul like Jesus and the other apostles is explaining that what God cares about is his true love expressed to others through us . God has been merciful we must be , he has not judged us based on our flaws and lack of detail , we
Must not , he’s forgiven us , we must forgive .

that whole chapter is a thorough rebuke of making what day we worship , whether we eat pork , or some unclean food , whether we washed our hands, what denomination we claim , none of those type of things have any bearing on eternal Life Or salvation but what does have is how we treat others.

are we harsh and unmerciful to others who wrong us ? Like the unforgiving debtor ? Or do we treat folks like Jesus treated us at our worst when we did some wrong in our own life ?

those types of things are what’s important the details are different for people but people who do certain things ritualistically and think it’s important do so to Honor God , those other who don’t believe it matters to God , they aren’t going to be condemned for following their faith on a detail or insignificant matter. If the details were salvation we’d all be lost
 
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lenna said:
Does the Lord condemn based on the day we worship?

no but some people do and that is why Paul says give them no mind.

6Therefore, just as you have received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to walk in Him, 7rooted and built up in Him, established in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.

8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. 9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. 10And you have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.

11In Him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christb and not by human hands. 12And having been buried with Him in baptism, you were raised with Him through your faith in the power of God, who raised Him from the dead.

13When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our trespasses, 14having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross! 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

16Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.c 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you with speculation about what he has seen. Such a person is puffed up without basis by his unspiritual mind. 19He has lost connection to the head, from whom the whole body, supported and knit together by its joints and ligaments, grows as God causes it to grow.

20If you have died with Christ to the spiritual forces of the world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its regulations: 21“Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!”? 22These will all perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23Such restrictions indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-prescribed worship, their false humility, and their harsh treatment of the body; but they are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.
Colossians 2
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Lenna, you have condemned people who believe God created the Sabbath, so is that a better condemnation to make or is it wrong to condemn?
 
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Lenna, you have condemned people who believe God created the Sabbath, so is that a better condemnation to make or is it wrong to condemn?
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I did? please quote the post where I condemn anyone

you better read my post again because I said the opposite

what is with you? I posted a portion of scripture. I guess you did not care for it
 
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I write this, post 7

lenna said:
Does the Lord condemn based on the day we worship?

no but some people do and that is why Paul says give them no mind.
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and the rest was only scripture

Jewish Roots advocate write this

Blik said:
Lenna, you have condemned people who believe God created the Sabbath, so is that a better condemnation to make or is it wrong to condemn?
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she also informed us in this thread, that we attract demons when we worship on Sunday. You are left wondering if she has short term memory loss or just likes to instigate personal conflict

here is a sample of what she actually believes:

Scripture tells us to celebrate Christ with Passover, the church says God cancelled that. They made up a new way to do it and named it using pagan gods to inspire them to make up a name for this replacement.

Demons are attracted to the church, undermining it is undermining the Lord. They have done a mighty work, they will still fail in the end.

nobody cares anymore blik, but you should be a little more careful of how you post to others since no one comes close to your outrageous claims
 
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MessageOfTheCross said:
The only way to God is through Jesus Christ (John 14:6)...the only way to Jesus Christ is by the Means of the Cross (Luke 14:27). The only way to the Cross is a denial of self (Luke 9:23). If any person tries to come any other way, Jesus says, "they are a thief and a robber" (John 10:1).
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Though the above references Scripture, the message is a corruption of Scripture.

In John 10, Jesus' words were, "He who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber. But he who enters by the door is a shepherd of the sheep," and, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them."

Nowhere in Scripture does it state that the only way to Jesus Christ is "by the Means of the Cross". Luke 14:27 ACTUALLY says, "Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple."

It's sad when a (supposed) Christian continually berates other Christians with a slanted message and corruption instead of edifying with the word of God.
 
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The Holy Spirit of truth will bring all God's people to understanding, those who are born again by the Spirit seek truth and obedience to those truths; those who are not will always insist on their theories even in the face of scripture evidence to the contrary.

Whatever some believers do or believe in their early days as children of God, eventually they will come to be in fellowship. The rest are left in their unbelief.

1 Cor 1:10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind (the mind of Christ*) and in the same judgment.
* plainly stated as mind of Christ in other translations

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
 
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lenna said:
with one look, Jesus could reach any and every heart even slightly turned to Him or searching

you, with all your snorting and foaming at the mouth are a major turn off

maybe Jimmy should have kept it zipped. yes I said that. he is sorry he got caught is what he is sorry about

you never say a word for the One who is supposed to be your Savior. just Jimmy says this and Jimmy says that

have you actually met Jesus? do you know why the elders cast their crowns at Him?

not because they are afraid

x anyone?

Jesus said if He is lifted up He will draw all men to Him. the cross was an instrument. the veil was torn from top to bottom

how are you so brainwashed by someone who pickled his brain with porn?
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Lenna, please stop judging and accusing. God loves you and wants you to love and nurture His creations, judging and accusing is not doing that.
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
The Holy Spirit of truth will bring all God's people to understanding, those who are born again by the Spirit seek truth and obedience to those truths; those who are not will always insist on their theories even in the face of scripture evidence to the contrary.

Whatever some believers do or believe in their early days as children of God, eventually they will come to be in fellowship. The rest are left in their unbelief.

1 Cor 1:10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind (the mind of Christ*) and in the same judgment.
* plainly stated as mind of Christ in other translations

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
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Right on. First we take our sins to Christ for forgiveness, then His righteousness in us follows.
 
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Lenna, please stop judging and accusing. God loves you and wants you to love and nurture His creations, judging and accusing is not doing that.
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I would say that you do the judging here blik. I don't believe you know God's will for me. I can tell you that it is not listening to you

blik informed us in this thread, that we attract demons when we worship on Sunday. You are left wondering if she has short term memory loss or just likes to instigate personal conflict

here is a sample of what she actually believes:

Scripture tells us to celebrate Christ with Passover, the church says God cancelled that. They made up a new way to do it and named it using pagan gods to inspire them to make up a name for this replacement.

Demons are attracted to the church, undermining it is undermining the Lord. They have done a mighty work, they will still fail in the end.

outrageous. who is judging blik? looks like you. I stated God does not judge and you state I judge. quite a twist on the truth of what was said
 
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