When are we saved ?

Keeping things in context; Paul is addressing the saints which are at Ephesus, and the faithful in Christ Jesus. The "we", "ye", "us", "our" in Eph 1 are to those he is addressing. Verse 13 is stating that, those who are being addressed, having already received the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise of their eternal inheritance, which is the earnest of their inheritance. Eph 1 is not referencing the natural man.

Yes. Chosen to be holy and without blame before Him in love is a GREAT PURPOSE!!!

So are you saying God did not give you a new heart? He gave me one.

No we were not in Him before we existed, but we were chosen in Him before the foundation of the world. You are getting tripped up by the preposition “in”. Do some digging on the various uses of the preposition

Messianic Jews = Jewish believers in Yeshua ha'Mashiach / Jesus the Messiah

No we were not in Him before we existed, but we were chosen in Him before the foundation of the world. You are getting tripped up by the preposition “in”. Do some digging on the various uses of the preposition

No we were not in Him before we existed, but we were chosen in Him before the foundation of the world. You are getting tripped up by the preposition “in”. Do some digging on the various uses of the preposition

We were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world...the fact that we can be chosen in Christ before we are placed into Christ is because of God’s perfect FOREKNOWLEDGE.

Not difficult at all

When did they get in him . Remember eph 2. 11-12 .

There's never a covenant with the Church . Always Israel . You are deceived.

Then explain eph 2.11-12
11¶Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

God chose us in Christ before we were in Christ because God has perfect foreknowledge.

Not that complicated, really.

Jews <> True Israel

True Israel = Assebly of God's covenant people = True Church

Can you agree that the followers of Yeshua ha'Mashiach / Jesus the Messiah is the Church? Is God's covenant with the house of David from the tribe of Judah? Do you know that Ephraim is dispersed throughout the world? Do you know that Yeshua ha'Mashiach / Jesus the Messiah's Church gathers the body of Christ from the nations, that was dispersed by the curse of Deuteronomy 28:64. Do you know that God's old covenant with Israel was broken by Israel, before their dispersion throughout the world? Did you know that God made a knew covenant in the Old Testament with dispersed Israel, and promised that he will gather them again from the outskirts of the world? Do you know that Yeshua ha'Mashiach / Jesus the Messiah only came for the lost sheep of Israel? Do you know that the lost sheep of Israel may today, after 2700 years of dispersion in the outskirts of the world be in the body of an Indian, Frenchman, Spaniard, Khoisan, Jew, German, African, Chinese, Englishman, Russian, American, Mexican, etc...?


Deuteronomy 28 (ESV)

64 "And the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other, and there you shall serve other gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known.

Zephaniah 3 (NLT)

10 My scattered people who live beyond the rivers of Ethiopia will come to present their offerings.


Matthew 15 (ESV)

24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."


John 11 (ESV)

51 He did not say this of his own accord, but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, 52 and not for the nation only, but also to gather into one the children of God who are scattered abroad.


Acts 1 (ESV)

6 So when they had come together, they asked him, "Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?" 7 He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."

True scattered Israel = The eternal covenant assembly of God = True gathered Church under eternal Kingship of Yeshua ha'Mashiach / Jesus the Messiah

Can you agree that the followers of Yeshua ha'Mashiach / Jesus the Messiah is the Church? Is God's covenant with the house of David from the tribe of Judah? Do you know that Ephraim is dispersed throughout the world? Do you know that Yeshua ha'Mashiach / Jesus the Messiah's Church gathers the body of Christ from the nations, that was dispersed by the curse of Deuteronomy 28:64. Do you know that God's old covenant with Israel was broken by Israel, before their dispersion throughout the world? Did you know that God made a knew covenant in the Old Testament with dispersed Israel, and promised that he will gather them again from the outskirts of the world? Do you know that Yeshua ha'Mashiach / Jesus the Messiah only came for the lost sheep of Israel? Do you know that the lost sheep of Israel may today, after 2700 years of dispersion in the outskirts of the world be in the body of an Indian, Frenchman, Spaniard, Khoisan, Jew, German, African, Chinese, Englishman, Russian, American, Mexican, etc...?


Deuteronomy 28 (ESV)

64 "And the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other, and there you shall serve other gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known.

Zephaniah 3 (NLT)

10 My scattered people who live beyond the rivers of Ethiopia will come to present their offerings.


Matthew 15 (ESV)

24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."


John 11 (ESV)

51 He did not say this of his own accord, but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, 52 and not for the nation only, but also to gather into one the children of God who are scattered abroad.


Acts 1 (ESV)

6 So when they had come together, they asked him, "Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?" 7 He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."

True scattered Israel = The eternal covenant assembly of God = True gathered Church under eternal Kingship of Yeshua ha'Mashiach / Jesus the Messiah

Because God chooses before time and saves in time. Are you sure you’re not an open theist?

Because God chooses before time and saves in time. Are you sure you’re not an open theist?

could you tell me when they got in him ?

Neither Jew or gentile = church

Abraham was not isreal he was father of many nations. Israel was one of his sons

Chosen before time based on foreknowledge. Saved and baptized by the Spirit into Christ in time.