When are we saved ?

I’ve already answered that numerous times in the elect according to foreknowledge thread and here. I don’t feel like answering it again right now. Go up a few posts, I addressed it today in fact.

Which is first? Predestination or calling?

ATTENTION. CRITICALLY IMPORTANT!!!

Romans 8: 29-30 puts predestination before calling and justification.
this negates. your predestining already existing saints argument pretty thoroughly

It says whom He predestinated, he called and justified. This puts predestination BEFORE faith, because justification is by faith.

Its why some in church are afraid to ask questions..they don't want to say something ' unorthodox ' , something that might clash without what some so called giant of the faith taught that we should believe hundreds of years ago , or a confession that we cannot possibly call into question .

Who mocked you?

If your obsessed with it being
Ephesians 1.5
5HAVING predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Whens the adoption according to Romans 8.23? ..Which comes before Romans 8.29 .

Predestination after salvation doesn’t work when you consider Romans 8:28-30.

We’ve already discussed the present and future aspects of adoption numerous times

Even the video you posted stated that there is a present and future aspect of salvation. See 1 Peter 1:8-9

Adoption is part of salvation and the Bible speaks of it both having a present aspect and a future aspect,just as it says the same about salvation

There is also a present and future aspect to sanctification

We’ve gone over this at least five times.

Where does it say we have a now and not yet physical adoption ?

Thanks, OIC1965, it is clear in my mind, but how to describe in in words may be contributed to my age of 85, but I like to think not.

Yes the redemption of the body which is the adoption, which we are predestined to is the final part of our salvation. Rom 13.11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
Don't you think the comfort Paul is giving in Romans 8 is their predestination to their adoption . Don't you see Paul is revealing the amazing things that we have IN CHRIST especially as we formerly had NO HOPE and were strangers? That their future adoption is certain . Why? because of verse 5 . Then verses 13-14 . Choose a destination ahead of time . The Adoption . This is the basis for eternal security..

Can you see that the Spirit OF adoption is not THE adoption ? Its the guarantee that the Adoption will take place. sealed until the day of Adoption. Eph 4.30 The Spirit of Adoption is not the redemption of the body .

I don't know if you recall, but preacher4truth singled me out to discredit my stand that the scriptures teach two different deliverances. One being eternal deliverance, and the other being a timely deliverance that we receive here in this world. Didn't the forum ban him?

So as i have said. I believe we are predestined after we believe which is in keeping with what that bible says about who saves . Jesus and being in him . This means my salvation was based on faith in the death , burial and resurrection for my sins according to the Scriptures. This is in keeping with Ephesians 1, 4- 14 and eph 2.11-12 where is clear that we were strangers from everything and without hope and without God .. I have my Adoption/ Glorification secure as good as done , because I am in Christ and all those in Christ are predestined to glorification ( Adoption)
You seem to believe you were predestined to conversion. Which means you were chosen outside of the death , burial and resurrection, before the fall , before you sinned , before faith , and before being in Chirst . I'm sticking to the bible on this one . Its about Jesus not us .

I do remember the dialogue.
Not sure on his status, although his name is no longer on the drop down menu.

Well said, Maggie!

On posts like these —I wish could “like” it twice.
(Here’s an extra thumbs up 👍🏽)

If your predestination was to conversion than you have no predestination to glorification. This is why perseverance of the saints is practically works salvation.

oh yes the Jews according to the Foreknowledge of God verse .

What's the matter with the doctrine of Christ?

Nothing , unless you say the bible is teaching ' the doctrines of Christ ' .