When are we saved ?
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Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
PRESENT TENSE...YOU ARE SONS, YOU ARE NO LONGER A SERVANT BUT A SON, AND IF A SON, AN HEIR WITH CHRIST
You try to say this is not talking about adoption, but the CONTEXT DEMANDS that it is about ADOPTION. There is no other form of sonship mentioned in this context besides adoption. To make it mean anything else is to do violence to the text. To say that this text is not speaking of adoption is the worst form of eisegesis I have ever seen. Literally, the worst.
As adopted sons, we are waiting for the fulfullment of our adoption, which is THE INHERITANCE.
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
PRESENT TENSE...YOU ARE SONS, YOU ARE NO LONGER A SERVANT BUT A SON, AND IF A SON, AN HEIR WITH CHRIST
You try to say this is not talking about adoption, but the CONTEXT DEMANDS that it is about ADOPTION. There is no other form of sonship mentioned in this context besides adoption. To make it mean anything else is to do violence to the text. To say that this text is not speaking of adoption is the worst form of eisegesis I have ever seen. Literally, the worst.
As adopted sons, we are waiting for the fulfullment of our adoption, which is THE INHERITANCE.
That is probably the worst argument I've ever heard.
It says foreknown, predestined, called, justified, and glorified.
The calling and justification is the part of the PATH to glorification. To be predestined to be glorified AUTOMATICALLY carries with it the predestination to be called, converted, and justified. Because you don't get to glorification apart from these.
It says foreknown, predestined, called, justified, and glorified.
The calling and justification is the part of the PATH to glorification. To be predestined to be glorified AUTOMATICALLY carries with it the predestination to be called, converted, and justified. Because you don't get to glorification apart from these.
SALVATION is not rescuing the perishing but the raising the dead Until one understands the definition of bible words as the Greek intends, the meaning is often left to the reader who may or may not have good English skills.
One troubling disagreement is exactly how dead is dead. For some use the Arminian defintion which is to deny original sin that brought death on mankind both physical and spiritual. Arminian view is to believe (in simple terms) that man did not die but is asleep. They look at it as rescuing the dying instead of raising the dead.
The T of the tulip holds to original sin, that the natural man is dead in sin, reprobate (worthless, rejected, cast-away,
I see the raising of Lazarus as a picture of our being born again.
KJV John 5:21
For as the Father raiseth up the dead (corpse), and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
[quicken/regeneration -same thing]
Ephesians 2: 1-5 is definitely addressing spiritual death because Paul is not writing to dead people.
1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, (the Greek word used here for 'dead' means A CORPSE........that is very dead.
2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.
3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
So before anyone can repent or be sorry for sin they must first be born again (quickened/regenerated), the Holy Spirit come to us and shed light on the word and teaches (so we understand), convicts of sin (so one can know what sin IS) and is our comforter (brings us to God's word for the solace of scriture) give us gifts to serve the church, such as discernment, hospitaltiy, teaching, et all
MY POINT is that from the point of fIRST being born again (the quickening to life), several things happen to us almost simultaniously as the Holy Spirit begins His work in us. We are convicted and know true sorrow for being sinners, we know we are undeserving but that Christ shed His blood for My sin, and we have a new desire to read the scriptures because we are now HUNGRY for the words. And then we grow. I am still amazed when I think of the way I experienced this.
One troubling disagreement is exactly how dead is dead. For some use the Arminian defintion which is to deny original sin that brought death on mankind both physical and spiritual. Arminian view is to believe (in simple terms) that man did not die but is asleep. They look at it as rescuing the dying instead of raising the dead.
The T of the tulip holds to original sin, that the natural man is dead in sin, reprobate (worthless, rejected, cast-away,
I see the raising of Lazarus as a picture of our being born again.
KJV John 5:21
For as the Father raiseth up the dead (corpse), and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
[quicken/regeneration -same thing]
Ephesians 2: 1-5 is definitely addressing spiritual death because Paul is not writing to dead people.
1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, (the Greek word used here for 'dead' means A CORPSE........that is very dead.
2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.
3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
So before anyone can repent or be sorry for sin they must first be born again (quickened/regenerated), the Holy Spirit come to us and shed light on the word and teaches (so we understand), convicts of sin (so one can know what sin IS) and is our comforter (brings us to God's word for the solace of scriture) give us gifts to serve the church, such as discernment, hospitaltiy, teaching, et all
MY POINT is that from the point of fIRST being born again (the quickening to life), several things happen to us almost simultaniously as the Holy Spirit begins His work in us. We are convicted and know true sorrow for being sinners, we know we are undeserving but that Christ shed His blood for My sin, and we have a new desire to read the scriptures because we are now HUNGRY for the words. And then we grow. I am still amazed when I think of the way I experienced this.
And don't forget that in this passage, the predestination happens BEFORE the calling and BEFORE the justification.
Foreknow, predestined, called, justified, glorified.
Those who are foreknown are predestinated
Those who are predestinated are called.
Those who are called are justified.
Those who are justified are glorified.
All of them.
Foreknow, predestined, called, justified, glorified.
Those who are foreknown are predestinated
Those who are predestinated are called.
Those who are called are justified.
Those who are justified are glorified.
All of them.
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Oh, but those shoes! 
As children, my sisters and I loved rifling through boxes of old clothes in the attic, and playing dress-up
As children, my sisters and I loved rifling through boxes of old clothes in the attic, and playing dress-up
when I was a kid I loved to dress up in my mom's shoes and she had a couple of ball gowns...and neat costume jewelry.
today it's mostly jeans, jeans and more jeans. leather jacket when it's cool
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Some have asked ,why do some believe and some do not ? Among many other scriptures Acts 17 gives us a reason.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they recieved the word with all readiness of mind and searched the scriptures daily to whether those things were so.
therefore many of them believed also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they recieved the word with all readiness of mind and searched the scriptures daily to whether those things were so.
therefore many of them believed also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.