Calling Jesus "Lord,' without choosing to obey Him with one's life, is useless and is not able to save anyone.

here is an example of your response to my post regarding there are 2 testaments...the old and the new, my point being that Jesus was speaking before His death and the law was still in effect

what do I get from you?

We try to know who Jesus mean people that call Him Lord.

whatever you may be thinking, it does not translate well when you try to write English. That is not my fault. you choose to come on an English forum and engage with English speaking people and I doubt I am the only one who has trouble knowing what you want to say

you do not understand what I write and you post a fabrication in your very bad understanding and then claim I do not agree with Jesus

you are responsible for what you post and what you post often enough is almost unintelligible

that is not my fault.

then you become arrogant and say I am smarter than you but I don't agree with Jesus

I don't agree with you hardly able to speak English and then accuse those who do speak English of being wrong and not agreeing with Jesus. I have seen you do this to others.

there is nothing wrong with you being here, but plenty wrong with you not understanding what an English speaking person writes and accusing them of somehow not believing what Jesus says when your English is so bad that google translate would not recognize it as English

I have explained several times what I am saying and each time you confused it worse than the time before until you end up with personal insults

your understanding of the English language leads you to create error and confusion. you do this often and people just quit talking to you which is what I am doing right now

And you believe it is Pharisees am I correct?
Is my English clear enough for you to understand my statement ? If not let me know.
I am not good in English but for simple statement like this I willingnto learn and if it is wrong let me know, correct me.

I don't know if I insult you, to me you insult me.

Jesus say not every one that call Lord enter the kingdom of God/save

You say that verse not about your salvation

To me it mean you not agree with Jesus

Is say my opinion and you say I don't know your perfect English?

What is your perfect English mean when you say that verse not about your salvation?

Who’s MacArthur ? Yes , I’m a believer in Jesus Christ and his gospel . And no I don’t think the term grace interpreted by man erases Gods word

yea grace is a good thing if it’s not distorted , when you don’t reject the truth but grace doesn’t excuse sin or anything . together with truth of the gospel which you don’t seem to want , it accomplishes this through those teachings

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gods Grace is a great thing , it’s not a reason to reject the truth . If grace is teaching you to repent of your sin and live godly And righteous in this present world , teaching you to be zealous for good works prepared in advance by the gospel to walk in its the grave from the Bible that comes along side the truth of God

but It seems there’s no headway to be made here. God loves you desperately I’m sure you already know that tho 🙂

Judas was fulfillment of a prophecy brother . Almost every single event in the gospel is .

yes bro I see a ton of agreement . I think what I’m saying is we can’t overcome sin , by willfully resisting it . Repentance is a matter of faith in Gods word. Because of the situation in this world it’s a spiritual situation were dealing with

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”

‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel of the kingdom of God would be preached in all the world for a witness until the end. The results would be two fold .

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”

‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV

here’s the situation in the world

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”

‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So this gospel would be preached throughout this wicked and damned world as a witness of the true God. Whoever will accept and believe this true gospel would be saved .

Satan knows this so his work is to use any means necessary to blind people who would believe to the truth

“But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”

‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:1-6‬ ‭KJV

satans plan is to avoid people accepting and believing the gospel of the kingdom the world is already lost , Satan is already here and darkness is already over the earth but there is a light in the darkness , the day has dawned the enemy has enslaved mankind

And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”

‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:24-26‬ ‭KJ

repentance comes through acknowledging the truth And frees us from the devils snare which causes us to serve his will sin , rather than Gods will the gospel .

to believe the gospel is salvation it brings repentance

“And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that sickness that causes sin is in our minds and hearts that’s why the gospel is directed at our thoughts and intentions those motivations are the only reason we want to sin it’s like a virus in our being . The actions of sin only happen because we allow the spirit of sin to rule our inner places like our minds , hearts, imaginations

if we follow the spirit established in the gospel we will overcome and we can never give ourselves credit because we believed God and he saved us . No one can ever boast because the requirement is simply to believe the gospel the work is done in us through that faith and the fruits become a natural thing we learn to Love right And hate evil

Yes, believing in the gospel (the head knowledge about the gospel) must precede repentance. The process begins with the essential understanding of the gospel. Head knowledge about the gospel isn't enough alone - to save anyone - though it is an essential part necessary in the process. Following learning about the gospel, a person is capable of making the choice to either accept, or reject the gospel. And the person who sincerely accepts the gospel - acts upon it and prayerfully applies it to his daily life, has become a true child of God.

Those are all good verses you showed me on the subject! Yes, Jesus is our example to follow in our daily lives. No one is capable of being sufficiently righteous just by themselves. Since no one is capable of that level of righteousness. But if one is sincere in following Jesus, he will prayerfully choose to do his best to always be to as obedient to God as is possible. And he repents sincerely and daily of all daily sins. And so as a result, God always forgives him, and counts him as though he had a "clean slate" - or as though he has no sin. He is counted "righteous" in that case, due to the pardon of sins all sincere children of God receive.

The full sense of the words, "faith" or "believe" - I believe - mean mental understanding of the gospel - paired with willingness to live according to the gospel in daily life. This is what I believe James was pointing out in this passage:

James 2:20-21

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
KJV
So as you see - verse 20 shows that hypocrisy isn't tolerated by God. A person needs to be willing to put the gospel to action in one's life or else he had a dead, nonexistent relationship with God. Abraham demonstrated His willingness to obey God, by bringing his son up on the mountain to offer him up on the altar. I'm sure it was no easy task, as he loved his son. But he was consecrated enough to God, that he was willing to comply with God's request, regardless of his feelings. He is a good example to us. As you know, it turned out he didn't have to offer up his son after all. But at least, he'd shown his willingness to obey God.

But there are many who are just as hypocritical as they were. And if it was only referring to the Pharisees and of no use for teaching us the danger of hypocrisy - it would have been useless to read about it to anyone who was not a Pharisee. But all of the scriptures are of benefit for teaching us truths about how to follow God and about what is not acceptable to God.

you are free to post to anyone you want of course, but I was not posting to you and your response has nothing to do with what the discussion between myself and another poster was about. doesn't concern you since it was a problem of language and comprehension

all of the scripture is for us and to teach and edify. however, everyone does not receive the same benefit

when people choose to follow people instead of the anointing IN the word given by the Holy Spirit, they will end up being taught by flesh and not the Holy Spirit

it's very tiresome and meaningless to see this same meme over and over again. it's not real

can someone please explain what 'I love you in the Lord' actually means?

I have never found that sentiment in the Bible

sounds a bit like 'God hates the sin but loves the sinner' but that is not in the Bible either

do little heart shapes make this love seem more real?

hmmm

I find the phrase ... well....dismissive actually

but that may just be me

while I do agree I would say things very differently to the same conclusions . Because there is much agreement Believing the gospel is what teaches us the things we need to perceive repentance is of Gods will for us . It’s a fruit that comes from faith built upon a foundation which was laid out by Jesus not Moses. I think it benefits a lot of believers to separate the teachings of Jesus in the gospel from the law of
Moses found in the Books of Moses. They are contrary.

our judgement is sure. The ot makes things like this clear

“Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭12:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But that is to look through a dingy veil at the matter the New Testament is all of the revelation like this

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


That’s a real truth of the gospel which they were commanded to also preach

“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:42‬ ‭

it’s evident in Paul’s writings also . My point is Jesus said the gospel he was preaching and teaching was the judgement we will be judged by , not Moses law but by his word.

the sins under Moses law were atoned for by him , and we have the gospel to learn believe and follow as he shapes us.

So when we are looking at right and wrong to look at the laws definition of sin doesn’t help concerning the day we all Must appear before Jesus his judgement seat is going to be according to the gospel he spoke . It will look more like this than a list of bad things we’ve done and how many days we felt righteous or anything but in this spirit

“But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.

Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

...But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.

For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

...And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. For every tree is known by his own fruit.

For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes. A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:27-31, 35-49‬ ‭


my point is that it’s about the things Jesus taught and he wasn’t only saying repent repent but was saying believe believe . His doctrine isn’t something that’s a rule list it is a spirit of brotherly Godly pure love that he offers .

pure hearts , solid unshakeable relationship with him , forgiveness, strength to overcome , God loves us so
Much and it is evident in the gospel

anyways good discussion you make a lot of good sense God bless hope to discuss another time again

I would like the list of things to obey if someone has it.
This thread has been dedicated to obedience, I think someone must have a list that I don't have.

It would be wise to go through all God's 613 (mitzvot) commandments, and discern what is applicable to yourself as an individual (for example if you are not a priest, those are not applicable to you, if you are not a man, those are not applicable to you, if you are not a woman, those are not applicable to you):

http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm (Short comprehensive list, as revealed by God as his will, through Moses and affirmed by Jesus / Yeshua )

They are not onerous, most are common sense and tried to be kept by Christians following Jesus in the faith, in which Jesus showed the way by keeping God's 613 commandments. Some of them relates to a God governed covenant entity with a temple in place, which is not currently physically in existence, and can not be obeyed at this time, but in a time to come (as prophesied to come in Ezekiel 37 - 48).


Matthew 23 (ESV)

2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, 3 so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.

John 15 (ESV)

10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-

it’s meant to condemn sinners and make men aware of thier sin and it’s punishment

It’s not ok to divide the law and keep
What parts we agree with .you either keep the whole law or you transgress at any point and have broken it.

“If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Once you broke the law , you are now condemned in death and need salvation , need a savior.

“But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law leads us to Christ that way by revealing that we too who thought we were righteous are actually sinners also along with those we tend to judge and look down on. Everyone needs to be condemned before they have a need for salvation. The law serves in that way to hold mankind guilty before God without excuse those folks will believe the Gospel who need salvation


Finally the apostles answered this when the subject came up . There were Pharisees who believed and had the idea that one needed to be circumcised and keep the law of Moses to be saved .

after an argument between Paul barns us and these Pharisees James peter and Paul came to a decision .

“Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication:

from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭15:24-26, 28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬




The law of Moses and the gospel do not go together and cannot they are contrary For different purposes in Gods plan .

Moses law commands this

“Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭21:24-25‬ ‭


Jesus commands this

“Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The law and trusting in Moses words is a blinder to the truth of salvation


“And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament;

which veil is done away in Christ.

But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart.

Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:13-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the condemnation of the law applies to everyone it’s why we need salvation which is found here

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

first came the law and then the prophets and left mankind condemned in need of Gods salvation. He sent Christ and were meant to repent and believe in him

have you ever read the gospel ? You should look into believing jesus and what he taught us.

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I would believe and look into his teachings and you would find not a rule list but Gods will for his children .

“Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:39-40‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if you really want to know what to keep and obey look into the gospel Jesus taught his disciples the word of life

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭

Eternal Life Is the promise , you will find that Jesus and the gospel he preached is where the promise of salvation and eternal Life Exist . Go into it believing , and willing to learn from the truth and it’s salvation

I guess you don't have the list either

ahh I see now where you are coming from , peace and good will to you

if you have faith in Jesus , he said this

“Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:47-49‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I would start looking at the things Jesus was saying about everything . And believe what you find in his words , it’s pretty straight forward stuff. There is no list that would be Moses law .

you want a list your asking for this

“Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:6-7‬ ‭

it’s about believing the gospel do you know about the holy spirit ? If we are willing to put our faith in Jesus and believe the things he said about God the Father about those who believe in him and those who refuse to believe in him.

we would begin to understand God and what he wants from us internally so it’s written on our hearts not on paper to read but on the heart because we have faith and believe it changes our understanding that’s where the spirit is understood

we are changed in the heart and mind not by demanding someone provide us a list to obey but because of we actually out our faith in Christ we will seek his words out to know and understand the one we believe in .

there are four books in the Bible that are all about Jesus Christ everything you need to know you can find there but the pre condition is that a person believes what they learn otherwise if we don’t have faith in Jesus it’s nonsense to us and impossible to comprehend

he spoke in parables , used exemplary teachings and imagery there is no list of rules in Christ , it’s about accepting his word and growing up from infancy to maturity and bearing the fruits of the spirit

preacher wanna-be.......whoever you may be.......a nice short list will do. Since you insist on obedience as a path to salvation, all I am asking is for your short list, since you seem to have much more to put on God's kids than the short version Jesus gave: BELIEVE.