The Creator's Remorse: A Mystery

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• Gen 6:5 . . And the Lord saw that the evil of man was great in the earth,
and every imagination of his heart was only evil all the time.

Man's descent into depravity didn't catch his creator by surprise. After all;
not only can God see the future but He can also manipulate it; so He was
well aware even before beginning that the people He was about to create
were destined from day one for a global deluge.

Also, when God inspected His handiwork at Gen 1:31, He evaluated it not
just good, but "very" good. So as far as He was concerned; everything went
smoothly and according to plan-- nothing was broken, no parts were
missing, and nothing failed to mate with its matching part.

• Gen 6:6 . . And the Lord regretted that He had made man upon the earth,
and He became grieved in His heart.

When God created the people of man, it was no doubt with the awareness
that the day would come when He would have to put a number of them
down like dogs gone mad with rabies.

If it can be safely assumed that God saw man's depravity coming well in
advance-- prior to creating even one of the many forces, energies, and
particles that would go into the construction of the cosmos --then we have
to wonder why it is that He felt remorse for going ahead as planned. Surely
it wasn't because He made a terrible mistake. I seriously doubt that a
master architect with the creator's intelligence would fail to foresee every
possible ramification of their actions.

Well; it's at least comforting to know the destruction of life is not something
God enjoys as if He were an outdoor guy who kills fish and wildlife for sport
with no more sensitivity than a kid blasting aliens in a video game. Man's
creator knew the day was coming when He would have to do what He was
about to do next, and clearly wasn't looking forward to it, but nevertheless;
leaves us with unavoidable questions about His sanity because from a
rational perspective, God's procedures make no sense at all.

Anyway, aside from all that; it appears to me that God had high
expectations for the people of man, and was very disappointed that numbers
of them went bad; sort of like how parents feel when a kid, whom they've
given every privilege, every opportunity, and every advantage imaginable,
lets it all go overboard and somehow ends up incorrigible and a total failure
instead.

• Gen 6:7 . . And the Lord said: I will blot out man, whom I created, from
upon the face of the earth, from man to cattle to creeping thing, to the fowl
of the heavens, for I regret that I made them.
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Were I a logical person, I would have to conclude that the Judeo/Christian
God is a fiend. I mean think about it: why would a sensible designer proceed
to bring into existence, without their consent, human lives whom he knew in
advance that some day he would be destroying most of them.

Others have worked around this issue with a posit that the creator isn't all
knowing. In other words: they suggest He didn't foresee the people's
depravity, i.e. He wasn't expecting it.
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Well logical people are limited by their confines of their limited human understanding and so their logic cannot really work when they do not have the supreme total situational awareness that God has.. People with limited information about a situation can use logic and come to the wrong conclusion because they did not start out with all the facts..

When it comes to the topic in this thread.. Yes God foreknew everything that was going to happen.. But He is justified because he has provided a way to Redeem His creation, He has made a Way for all sinners to be forgiven and justified by His blood..

Also i believe God would never have started this universe program if it was not needed to fulfill His eternal objective.. In this case the Ends must justify the Means.. to say otherwise is to declare God faulty and if God has faults then God is not truly God.. And if God was not truly God then there would be no hope left and our existence would be for nothing..

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So then, the creator knew in advance that if He went ahead as planned, the
end result would be the termination of untold numbers of terrified people in
the lake of brimstone depicted in Rev 20:10-15.



Bringing thousands, even multiplied millions, of people into existence so
they could lose their lives in order to achieve one's own personal ambition
isn't Christian, rather, it's Machiavellian.

• Phil 2:4 . . Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also
to the interests of others.

Seeing as how Christ expressly forbids selfish ambition amongst his own;
therefore, before proceeding with your ideas, be very sure to ponder all the
possible ramifications of your actions first.

Stepping on people's toes, and/or thwarting their ideas so that yours prevail,
fails to satisfy the law of Christ; which requires believers to love their fellow
believers as Christ loves them (John 15:12). It also fails to satisfy the
Golden Rule which says: So in everything, do to others what you would have
them do to you. (Matt 7:12). Always looking out for No.1 just simply isn't
very nice.
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I can see that this is a difficult quandary for our limited Understanding. We cannot Judge God however. The natural desire to justify Gods actions using our limited understanding on such issues can lead to us presenting flawed logic and assumptions. This in turn can reduce our representing God as having human flaws and limitations and frailties. This is clearly not a right understanding of God at all.

James 1
19 Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger;
20 for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God.

Romans 12
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Romans 14
4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth.

Isaiah 45
9.Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?
11 Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.
12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.


These portions of scripture are a glimpse into why God forbids us being wrathful and judging and unforgiving of others. As flawed humans who have been granted eternal forgiveness, we have no right to stand in the seat of a pure and holy judge. We also as flawed humanity have not the higher levels of understanding as to why God does what He does. We so often misunderstand one another’s motives and intent (only God sees the heart of man and knows his intentions and motives), and rightly so we are forbidden from being offended and getting mad and hating one another. We are all of the same fallen flawed and sinful weak flesh and any difference in us is only thanks to Gods Grace in our lives.

it is easy to see why we then should also avoid judging the God who created us and everything in creation, of unrighteousness behaviour or thinking. To question why is natural and normal, but to judge God or even one another wrongly is a step too far. We are not in a position of superior understanding over God or even each other.

Job 1.
21 (job)said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.
22 In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.

Sometimes it is ok to not know the answers, it is enough to know
The character of the God who takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked and who suffered immeasurably upon the cross to make a way to redeem us because of His love.

He is also Holy and His wrath and judgement (unlike Ours) is righteous and is pure and Just. He alone is qualified to judge and dispense judgement upon humanity.


If we must judge God, let us judge Him by what He has shown fit to disclose of Himself and rejoice that He has stooped down so low as to die in our place and to offer forgiveness to the vilest if they will only come and believe.
What a merciful and loving God we serve

Gen.6;6 does not say the Lord "regretted". Thats a terrible translation. God doesn't regret anything he dies.

Gods ways are not mans ways. Man can not know the mind of God (His innermost thoughts/reasons).

Much of what you wrote about are explained quite well with God having given man free will.

Realizing that God knew/knows all, He surely did know (as you stated) what would be the outcome/will be the outcome, so why is He sad? This also is explained in Scripture in that while we were yet in our sins, Jesus died for us, and God would have all men be saved. So, while He knew/knows, He still feels sorrow because of the choice of those who deny Him and die in their sins.

To a lesser extent, parents who see their children growing and making choices, and some of them bad, and the parent knows how it will work out, sorrows over the child and what they suffer. Yet, they have given the child the power to make choices (good and bad) so they can only watch and even cry; but surely sorrow.

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• Rev 6:10 . . They called out in a loud voice: How long, Sovereign Lord,
holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our
blood?

The Greek word translated "sovereign lord" is despótees; which means an
absolute ruler. i.e. a despot.

We're dealing with a supernatural entity who's fully capable of walking
over people's bones to get what He wants; and not even atom bombs can
impede His progress.

• Isa 45:12 . . I am the one who made the earth and created people to live
on it. With my hands I stretched out the heavens. All the millions of stars
are at my command.

I have to say that anyone with the power at their disposal to invent and
control all the laws of nature and physics, is someone to fear; for example:
Jesus could restore blindness. Well anybody who can restore blindness can
just as easily cause it. Jesus also healed paralysis. Well if he can heal
paralysis then he can just as easily cause that too. And he healed withered
limbs. Same thing. If he can heal a withered limb, then he can just as easily
do it in reverse; and also speech.

That kind of power is terrifying, especially when it's in the hands of a despot;
and were it to be wielded against God's enemies they would have no
possible hope of defending themselves because when people's muscles are
atrophied, and they are blind, paralyzed, and mute; they're totally helpless
and in no condition to do much of anything except complain.
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At some time in history, people started delivering pizza to customers' home addresses, but this doesn't mean that pizza ever only existed through delivering it to peoples' addresses; this started at a certain point of time.
In other words, God isn't anthropomorphic, although He is able to manifest as such, and if we want to avoid erroneous conclusions we shouldn't apply human logic to God.

You and i do not know the actual numbers who will be redeemed and who will not be redeemed.. But apart from that YES God started this universe creation program knowing that some humans would have eternal life and some would have eternal damnation.. In the end if God makes it possible for people to be saved and people reject his just salvation then God is not morally responsible for those who hate his truth and love evil.. All those who shall be damned shall be responsible for their own eternal destination..

Bringing thousands, even multiplied millions, of people into existence so
they could lose their lives in order to achieve one's own personal ambition
isn't Christian, rather, it's Machiavellian.

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And thats your judgement against God.. But i don't think you will be judging God when you stand before Him on the day of judgement..

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Phil 2:4 . . Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also
to the interests of others.

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God is No 1 and His will shall be done.. Not any proud human beings feelings..

This sentence makes me question someone else's sanity.

Wonder no more friend, The answer to your wonderment surely is found in the examination of the very facts you’ve posted about our Heavenly Father. Since it goes beyond assuming that our Lord God has the power of “perfect premonition,” it must also go beyond assumption that the Lord God has the perfect power of perfect “disposition” i.e the ability to dispose of his power of premonition for the purpose of testing his powers of creation and the heart of the flesh he created to obey & love him while at the same time being totally free to make up his/her own mind in the face of evil, i.e. the serpent of sin, disobedience & hatred. A test which earthly flesh has failed.

I believe my friend that our Father God test his creation often and thereby can & does block out some of his own powers of perfection in all things. I believe life on this earth is a Godly test with everlasting rewards and consequences. He is separating the wheat from the chaff.

Yeshua had and always has had 'high-expectations' for the man that He has made...
He is just waiting, as those whom He has called are waiting, for His will to be done
on earth, as it is in heaven...

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That's a popular work-around, but seeing as how it has no basis in scripture,
then good sense requires that it always be entertained as a spurious theory.
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Scripture teaches that God knows ALL things. So you'll opine that God has no power to NOT know whatever he decides? God has no power to Ignore? That of course denies that God knows ALL. How else would God test his creations to his own satisfaction should he choose so?

Why did God create Satan if he knew his rebellion was preordained, if not to test his human creation? Why did God bring every animal before Adam to SEE WHAT HE would call them if he already knew what Adam would call them?

The perfect God knows all things he chooses to know and ignores things he chooses to ignore purposely, in my opinion and I believe scripture supports that.

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We should bundle that inquiry with another related to the offering of Isaac
wherein God said "Now I know that you fear God, because you have not
withheld from me your son, your only son."

Didn't God already know that Abraham would go thru with slaying his son as
a burnt offering? Yes, of course He knew. However, God only knew that by
means of precognition. What I mean is: God had not yet actually seen
Abraham's actions for Himself in real time as an eye witness.

Same goes for Adam. God knew in advance what Adam would name the
animals, but only by means of precognition. He had not yet seen for Himself,
in real time as an eye witness, what the man would name them.

Taking that further, God already knows in advance everybody from first to
last that will believe in His son; and on that basis has predestinated them all
to adoption as His children. But He only knows who those people are by
means of precognition. He has not yet had the pleasure of watching them all
for Himself, in real time as an eye witness, coming to faith in His son.
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Jesus Christ is the perfect image of God the father, he is God the Son, the love of the father is in him, it is sacrificial love as an atonement for the sins of many, while also upholding justice the law and all for God's glory.

This should point us towards how God acts and why He does what He does, instead of applying faulty, limited, flawed, self centered human logic/reasoning to God. ✔