Rev 11, The (Two Witnesses) Will Rule The Tribulation By Plagues And God's Judgement

If that were the case ^ , why would scripture tell us that the beast "will overcome them, and kill them"...?

No need to make it so complex, you just need to read the Bible literally.

That passage says Satan will be bound for 1000 years so that he cannot do X.

If you want to form a doctrine that says, "It only says bounded so that he cannot do X, it did not say he cannot do any other evil deeds, therefore we are currently living in those 1000 years", that is your choice to make.

The two witnesses can easily be the body of believers, who by the Son and Spirit (two witnesses) of God, impart light to a dark world.

If that were the case ^ , why would scripture tell us that the beast "will overcome them, and kill them"...?

Wouldn't that mean that ALL would be considered "the DEAD IN Christ" rather than some of us being the "we which are ALIVE and remain unto"..."

Revelation 11 -

7 And when they shall have completed their testimony, the beast coming up out of the abyss will make war with them, and will overcome them, and will kill them. 8 And their body will be upon the street of the great city, which is called spiritually Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. 9 And those of the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations gaze upon their bodies three and a half days, and they will not allow their bodies to be put into a tomb. 10 And those dwelling on the earth rejoice over them and make merry, and will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets have tormented those dwelling upon the earth.
11 And after the three and a half days, the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon those beholding them. 12 And they heard a great voice out of heaven, saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in the cloud, and their enemies beheld them.
13 And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell, and seven thousand names of men were killed in the earthquake. And the rest became terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe has passed. Behold, the third woe is coming quickly.

The Seventh Trumpet

15 And the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and ... [See also Rev8:13b about these three woes, and what they are "connected" with]


...and wouldn't this scenario, you're suggesting, have the "trumpet" (presumably the 7th trumpet, here--a trumpet of judgment) be "sounding" AFTER they've already ascended up to heaven? This isn't how 1Th4 makes it sound like it will take place, right? Or am I even reading you right? = )

I believe Enoch/Elijah, neither experienced a physical death?

Moses died a physical death, that's why I believe he's Excluded, as the scripture states below, its appointed once to die, Moses is in the grave.

Deuteronomy 34:5-7KJV
5 So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord.
6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.
7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.

Hebrews 9:27KJV
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

(Historicism) falsely answers a very literal chapter of scripture, with symbolism?

Revelation 11

You have a world, plagues, bodies being killed, a street, a Jerusalem, a world watching, gifts being exchanged, a earthquake,?

It's one thing to erase (Two Witnesses) whither symbolic allegory, what you gonna do with the numerous other items in the chapter, please explain its symbolism?

Do you believe Moses/Aaron brought Literal Plagues, Upon a Literal Egypt?

Because Rev 11 is the very same future Literal, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt.

Fire isn't going to physically come out of the mouths of 2 men. Unbelievers are tormented by hearing the truth that they are sinners who need to turn to God.

Fire isn't going to physically come out of the mouths of 2 men. Unbelievers are tormented by hearing the truth that they are sinners who need to turn to God.

That is an intersting understanding I never thought of it this way. The issue in revelation is deciphering what is symbolic and what isn't

Apparently fire does come from their mouths.
It is for protection,not speaking.

We put the flesh to death with the sword (of the Spirit, the word of God) and stone flesh to death with the Rock.

Apparently fire does come from their mouths.
It is for protection,not speaking.

Revelation 11:3-6 The (Two Witnesses) Literal Prophets Returned, They Will Rule The Future Tribulation.

Many remain silent on the (Two Witnesses) seen below, as they elevate the (Antichrist) in false fear, don't be deceived!

Yes this is true however it is far to easy to mistake the voice of the spirit with our own when it comes to scripture and sadly often times when you let the spirit speak the truth of scripturee you are often opposed by others who interpret it differently.

This is why it is so important to draw as close to God as possible spending as much time with him as possible developing that intimacy because then you began to know his voice and he speaks all truths to us

Yes that's right. It's having Jesus revealed to us that's the important thing.
Why is "the holy city trodden underfoot for 3 1/2 years"?

Is it because the holy city is the body of believers, who testify of Jesus's ministry in the 1st century (lasting 3 1/2 years)? I think it's very likely this is the true meaning of it.

I always figured that they would be witnessing.

Well bible prophecy often times foreshadows itself so it is very possible, but I also think that it also has to do with God dealing with his rebellious children ( the jews) to bring them back to him.
It is a repeated pattern in the bible the Jews rebel go through tribulation and are brought back to their first love and the process seems to contniue even to this day

Fire isn't going to physically come out of the mouths of 2 men. Unbelievers are tormented by hearing the truth that they are sinners who need to turn to God.

Yes it does and for this reasoning, it's sensible that what happened to the Jews will also happen to us. I believe the revealing of Christ is an event that has been repeated throughout history. Of course Jesus's ministry has opened all of it to us, but the symbology of the Book of Revelation to some degree can be seen in every generation.

Yes it does and for this reasoning, it's sensible that what happened to the Jews will also happen to us. I believe the revealing of Christ is an event that has been repeated throughout history. Of course Jesus's ministry has opened all of it to us, but the symbology of the Book of Revelation to some degree can be seen in every generation.