When God's word was not wrote down But in the heart.

From Adam and Eve to Abraham, Isaac, and to Jacob, Where was the word of God?I think its safe to assume here that God wants to be in our heart's Adam and Eve did not need a bible Because God was with them.

Part 1: Adam and Eve: What can we learn from Adam and Eve's relationship with God?


Do you know God? Better yet Does God know you?

Its better that God knows you than you of him?

1. Jas 2:19
2. Mat 7:23

Knowing God is very important too though, don't get me wrong. 1John 2 starting in verse 3-6 Is the test of knowing God so bible is clear it is important. It is of same value that God knows Us though.

Relationship:

God wants it back the way it was before sin! He wants it better than it was before sin. Because now Man-kind has history with God and anytime you have a history with someone there is a closer relationship than with just say an acquaintance.

Did Adam and Eve have a history with God?
Not at first, but they did make history in the full scope of things!

What did Adam know about God first? What can we learn from it?

I would have to say that the first thing Adam knew was when his eyes opened for the first time (first time eyes opened)<<will come back to that <<

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

The Holy Bible: King James Version. (1995). (electronic ed. of the 1769 edition of the 1611 Authorized Version., Ge 2:7). Bellingham WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

Wow! I say Face to face with God! Real #Facetime with God! God's breath of life into his nostrils.
The Bible: is our Face time with God! Back before sin they did not need a Bible to know him, because they already knew God and he knew them. That is how God wants to know us like Adam and Eve knew God! God can breath life into us as well from his word.
john 5:24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
john 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

The New King James Version.

Jesus: Jn 8:19 Then they said to Him, “Where is Your Father?”
Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also.”
The New King James Version. (1982). (Jn 8:19). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.

When we get to know Jesus, we will know the Father!

God came back for us to put us in a right relationship with God through Jesus. He is now recreating our hearts to know him in a way that was first intended. We can not yet Know God like Adam and Eve knew him. One day all men will be able to hear God's Audible voice and know him Face to Face.

In John 14:7 he again states "if you had known me, you should have known my Father also."

So did you get to know the Father after you got to know Jesus; or did you get you to know Jesus after you got to know the Father? The passage in John 5:43 sheds some light on who those who know the Father and those who know Jesus.

Thus it is written in John 6:44 that "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him:
"And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father."
John 6:65

Which brings forth the following:

• For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16
• Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24

Unfortunately, that relationship did not exist for too long. It would appear that very shortly after the creation of Adam and Eve, they disobeyed God, and were separated from Him.

GENESIS 3: ADAM AND EVE WERE CAST OUT OF THE GARDEN OF EDEN
Satan – the Devil – entered into the Garden of Eden soon after Adam and Eve.
He took the form of serpent (or he may have entered into a serpent’s body). The serpent was the most cunning and wily creature which God had created.
(It may even have appeared as a beautiful talking dragon at that time).

Instead of trying to trick Adam, Satan decided to trick the woman Eve. So what he did was try to make her disobey God by telling lies. He asked Eve a sly and tricky question. “Did God really say that you cannot eat of every tree in the Garden of Eden”?

Instead of walking away from the serpent, she began to talk to him. Eve knew what God had said, but somehow she did not repeat the exact words of God. She made a lot of mistakes in what she said: (1) She forgot to say that the fruit of every tree in the garden was for her and Adam. (2) Then she forgot the name of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. (3) Then she forgot to say that God did not say anything about touching that tree. (4) Then she forgot to say that God had warned them that in the day that they would eat of the fruit of Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, they would “surely” die. She made it sound as though it was not a sure thing.

This was a serious mistake, since the Devil now had a reason to deceive her. So he told her a complete lie. He said” You will not surely die”. Then he tempted her with another lie. He said “God knows that in the day that you eat that forbidden fruit, your eyes will be opened, and you will become wise like gods. You will know what is good and what is evil.”

While Satan was tricking Eve, Eve was looking at that fruit and thinking about herself, not about God. She was thinking that the fruit must be delicious, because it looked so beautiful, and by eating it she would surely become wise. So she grabbed one of the fruit, ate it quickly, and then gave it to her husband, who was with her.

Adam knew that this was a sin – it was disobedience to God – but he went ahead, and also ate of that fruit (which was definitely not an apple). Then everything changed at that very moment. Adam and Eve saw that they were naked, and became ashamed. So they took fig leaves, sewed them together, and made aprons for themselves. But now they were afraid of God.

So they hid themselves, thinking they would not be discovered. But God visited the garden towards evening (when it became cooler). Then He called out to Adam and said “Where are you?” Adam replied “I heard your voice in the garden and hid myself because I was naked and afraid”. God asked Adam “Who told you that you were naked?” “Did you eat of the tree from which you were commanded not to eat?”

Instead of honestly telling God that he had disobeyed Him and that he was sorry, Adam blamed Eve. When God questioned the woman, she blamed the serpent. Since God already knew what had happened, He cursed the serpent with a terrible curse. That is why snakes now slither on the ground and eat the dust of the ground. God also told the serpent that there would always be enmity between humans and snakes.

However, since it was really Satan who had used the serpent to trick Eve, God made a promise to bring Jesus (called “the Seed of the Woman”) to the cross, so that Jesus would crush Satan’s head by dying on the cross, and rising again from the dead.

But there were serious consequences to their disobedience. Eve (and all women) would have a lot of pain when their children were born. And Adam (and all men) would rule over their wives. But Adam had to pay a serious penalty for his disobedience also. God cursed the ground because of Adam.
Adam (and all men) would have a lot of work and sorrow from trying to raise food from the ground. There would also be thorns, thistles, and all kinds of weeds to make it hard to raise crops. Men would have to work very hard and sweat over their labour to get food. Adam (and all men) would die, and their bodies would return to dust. Also all human beings would become sinners, who would all die (sooner or later).

God did not say anything about “the Second Death” at this time, but He would speak about it later. It was at this time that Adam called his wife “Eve”, which means the mother of all human beings. However, God took pity on these two who had sinned, and he made coats of animal skins to clothe them.

At the same time, God did not want Adam and Eve to eat of the Tree of Life after their disobedience. So God drove out Adam and Eve from the garden of Eden. They would have to live outside and raise their own food. But God did something more. He placed angels called “Cherubims” on the east side of the Garden of Eden, to prevent Adam and Eve from coming back. He also placed a flaming sword at the entrance. The sword was constantly in motion, turning in every direction. And this too was another warning sign for Adam and Eve.

Hello Laymen, while it's necessary for our salvation that God knows us, I believe that it is equally important that we know Him (both the Father and the Son). For instance, the Lord Jesus, in His high priestly prayer said,


There are many other places in the Bible that say similar things as well, about God knowing those of us who are His, and about our knowing Him as well. For instance,


And then later, when answering the Jews, He also said,


God bless you!

~Deut

Far to short!

Nehemiah6 said:

GENESIS 3: ADAM AND EVE WERE CAST OUT OF THE GARDEN OF EDEN

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I think its interesting to note:
22 Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”—

The New King James Version. (1982). (Ge 3:22–24). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.


Had "sin" taken hold of the tree of life it could live forever!

if Adam really 'blamed Eve' ((her name at the time was Woman, not Eve)) rather than confessing his sin, why did God accept it?
if in fact Adam's response "the woman Thou gavest with me" is blame shifting, then wouldn't that be Adam actually blaming God? accusing God of evil?

why then did God accept them, covering them with atoning sacrifice and cursing Satan? if Adam is refusing to confess his own sin and blasphemously calling God wicked?

untenable position, IMO.

also interesting to note that the cherubim and the whirling, fiery sword are placed to 'keep' the way to the tree of life. ((Gen. 3:24))
this is the same word as in Genesis 2:15, where God places Adam in the garden ((he was created outside the garden)) to "keep" it, i.e. tend to it, preserve it, nurture it.

so is the way to the tree of life 'blocked' or is the way to the tree of life 'preserved' ?

1st mention of this word -- Adam placed in the garden to keep it. ((Gen. 2:15))
2nd mention -- cherubim placed at the way to the tree of life to keep it. ((Gen. 3:24))
3rd mention -- 'am I my brother's keeper?' ((Gen. 4:9))
4th mention -- 'you shall keep my covenant' ((Gen. 17:9))

Who is the Tree of Life, and Who is The Way to The Tree of Life?
see John 14:6

Who is The Flaming Sword?

Not sure I fully see this about only Adam because the word man here can mean mankind.

it's singular & masculine. in Genesis 1:27-29 we have mankind referred to in plural ((male & female He created them, He blessed them, behold I have given you (plural) etc )) and in the rest of the narrative we have 'the man and his wife' whenever something is described concerning both of them.
it would be contrary to the language being used in the rest of Genesis 1-5 to determine that 'behold! the man / Adam has become like one of Us' is referring to both of them, because there has been clear language throughout differentiating the two of them from one or the other in singular.

you would have to make that interpretation based on doctrinal presupposition, not on the the basis of the language itself -- determining that Satan isn't lying when he tells Woman she will become like God by eating from the tree, and basing your interpretation of God's words on Satan's.
i don't think this is the right thing to do. in my view, it is something about Adam's renaming of Woman to Eve, upon hearing God's judgement and the promise of The Seed, for which God declares "Behold!" -- saying this to who? who is supposed to look and take notice and the profoundly significant thing? the angels -- it hardly makes sense to me that (1) Satan isn't lying in Genesis 3:5 or that (2) the angels didn't see what happened in Genesis 3:1-19 or that (3) God goes through all the entering of evidence in their trial and the sentencing phase before mentioning what is the ((if Satan is to be believed)) direct result of eating from the tree.

all that said, yeah, i'm completely aware that the prevailing majority view is that Satan is telling the truth, that Adam is a complete idiot standing there watching the whole thing oblivious, somehow also that ((in direct contradiction of 1 Timothy 2:14)) Adam is deceived by his wife, and that God accepts him even though he is unrepentant and blasphemously accusing God of wickedness.

1.This word for "Keep" For Gen 2:15 is not the same word "keeper" used for Gen 4:9
2.The word keep from Gen 2:15 "keep' however does line up with Gen 3:24, and Gen 17:9 for keep my covenant.
The word in Gen 4:9 however lines up with the word "keeper" in 1 Sa 17:20. "keeper of sheep"

It might just be the Context of the word that gives these different uses of two spellings on 'keep"Gen 2:15 and the other "keeper" Gen 4:9. But I can say I do see why you would make that connection. But I am no Hebrew expert, But I think one leans more to Faithful-fulfill and the other as protector.

The word "Man is used in a general since of the word in Gen 1:27 Mankind Meaning both Male and Female .

Yeah that's why I can see how you got that.

Got mine from this:




אָדָם S120, 121 TWOT25a GK132, 133, 134, 135, 136560 n.m. Gn 1:27 man, mankind (Ph. אדם, Sab. id., CISiv. 1, 1. 4 al.; cf. As. admu, young (of bird) Dl, but Nö 1886, 722 identif. with Ar. أَذَامٌ (ʾaḏāmun) coll. creatures)—Sg. abs. exc. cstr. Pr 6:12 cf. Thes; (בְּנֵי (הָ)א׳ oft. = pl. of א׳ Gn 11:5 + 39 textual, cf. בְּנוֹת הָא׳ Gn 6:2, 4)— 1. a man ( = Ger. Mensch) = human being Gn 2:5, 7(), 8, 15, 16, 18 +, 16:12 (27 textual J) Lv 5:4 (|| נֶפֶשׁ) 13:2, 9 (19 textual P) Ne 2:10 Is 13:12 (|| אֱנוֹשׁ); הָאָ׳ הַגָּדוֹל Jos 14:15 (E); אָ׳ בְּלִיַּעַל Pr 6:12 (|| אִישׁ אָוֶן cf. 1 S 25:25 & v. בליעל); = any one Lv 1:2 Nu 9:6, 7 Jb 20:29; 27:13 Pr 15:20; 21:16, 20; 24:30 Ec 7:20 + oft. WisdLt, Je 2:6; 4:25 Ne 2:12, cf. נֶפֶשׁ א׳ Nu 19:11, 13 +; seld. man opp. woman Gn 2:22(), 23, 25; 3:8, 12, 17, 20, 21 Ec 7:28. 2. coll. man, mankind Gn 1:26; 9:5, 6() + (P 28 textual) 6:1, 5, 6, 7 (JE 24 textual) Dt 4:32 (D 6 textual) (on 2 S 7:19 cf. 1 Ch 17:17 v. Dr); distinctly = men + women Gn 1:27; 5:1 Nu 5:6; given as name Gn 5:2; but = warriors Is 22:6 רֶכֶב א׳ (|| פּרשׁים); || beasts (41 textual) בְּהֵמָה Gn 6:7; 7:23 (J?) Ex 8:13, 14; 9:9, 10 (P) 9:19, 22, 25; 12:12; 13:2, 13, 15 (all J) +; late proph. Je 21:6; 31:27; 50:3; 51:62 Ez 14:13, 17, 19, 21; 25:13; 29:8, 11; 32:13 (del. Co) 36:11 Jon 3:8 Zp 1:3 Hg 1:11 Zc 2:8; 8:10; || בָּקָר Ez 4:15; || צֹאן, חֲמֹרִים, ב׳ Nu 31:28; || id. + מִכָּל־הַבְּהֵמָה v 30 cf. Jon 3:7; || חַיָּה Gn 9:5 (P) cf. Ez 1:5, 8, 10, 26, & descript. of כְּרוּבִים Ez 10:8, 14, 21 cf. 41:19; || trees Dt 20:19 (rd. הֶאָדָם v. Di); opp. God 1 S 15:29; 16:7() Is 31:3 Ez 28:2, 9 1 Ch 21:13; 29:1 2 Ch 6:18 Mal 3:8 cf. Ex 33:20 Dt 5:21; so בֶּן־א׳ Nu 23:19 (|| אישׁ Ez 2:1, 3, 6, 8 (87 textual Ez, alw. addressed to proph.); בְּנֵי הָא׳ 1 S 26:19; made in God’s image Gn 1:26, 27; 9:6 cf. Ec 7:29; as feeble, earthly, mortal Nu 16:29() Ps 82:7; 144:3, 4 Jb 5:7; 14:1, 10 cf. 25:6 (בֶּן־א׳) Ec 12:5; as sinful 1 K 8:46 2 Ch 6:36 Je 10:14 cf. Nu 5:6 Jb 31:33 Ho 6:7; of men in general, other men (opp. to particular ones) Ju 16:17 (cf. אַחַד הָא׳ v 7, 11) 18:7, 28 ψ 73:5 Je 32:20 +; || אִישׁ Is 2:9, 11, 17; 5:15 cf. Ez 23:42 (del. Co Vrss); בְּנֵי א׳ 2 S 7:14 (|| אֲנָשִׁים) Pr 8:4 (|| אִישִׁים); ψ 49:3; 62:10 (both || בְּנֵי אִישׁ) = men of low opp. men of high degree—so oft. Ph. and = vassal Sab. DHM 1875, 680 686; נֶפֶשׁ א׳ coll. Nu 31:35, 40, 46 1 Ch 5:21 Ez 27:13. † 3. n.pr.m. Adam, first man (without art. cf. שָׂטָן 1 Ch 21:1 over ag. הַשּׂ׳ Jb 1:6 etc.) Gn 4:25 (J) 5:1, 3, 4, 5 (P) 1 Ch 1:1. (Gn 2:20; 3:17, 21 rd. לָא׳ v. Di) † 4. n.pr.loc. city in Jordan valley (as built? Jos 3:16.


Brown, F., Driver, S. R., & Briggs, C. A. (1977). Enhanced Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon (p. 9). Oxford: Clarendon Press.

Did find this too.
120 אָדָם, אָדָם, אָדָם [ʾadam /aw·dawm/] n m. From 119; TWOT 25a; GK 132 and 133 and 135; 552 occurrences; AV translates as “man” 408 times, “men” 121 times, “Adam” 13 times, “person(s)” eight times, “common sort + 7230” once, and “hypocrite” once. 1 man, mankind. 1A man, human being. 1B man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT). 1C Adam, first man. 1D city in Jordan valley.

Strong, J. (1995). Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon. Woodside Bible Fellowship.

yes and notice it can generally mean one of three things:

• it may be a particular human in the abstract sense
• it may refer to human, the creature type, implicitly all mankind collectively
• it may be nominative; it is Adam's name

and that both of those reference books by interpretation assign various instances to one of these meanings. so, that's what i wanted to point out about 1:26-27, that it's not necessarily reference to creature-type collectively in Gen. 1:26-27 when it's used in the singular case; it can be read just as accurately as 'let Us make Adam in our image' -- there's nothing textual there that gives an indication that it must be definition 1 or 2 or 3; context tells us for sure that it's not 4, but otherwise it's all by what the reader takes it to mean.
so we have a set of 3 options, and we have what these scholars interpreted each to be. Mssrs. Brown, Driver & Briggs take 1:26 & 27 to be the collective sense, referring to humankind.



in Genesis 3:22 we have the definite article -- it's "BEHOLD!! The אדם has become like one of Us" -- הָֽאָדָם֙ not just אָדָם
what's that tell us?

this bit here, let me see if i'm reading it right: they only gave instances for this nominative use where there's no definite article, because the cases where the word means a particular man, not mankind in general, and it does have the definite article, are covered in definition 1, for example 2:5 & 2:7-8, 2:15-16, which are definitely talking about Adam in particular. 2:19 in particular, where God brings every living soul to Adam to name, it's הָֽאָדָם֙ -- 'the man' -- and it's definitely Adam we're talking about not anyone else and not man in general.

i do see the definite article in Genesis 6 again -- it's when 'the man' began to multiply; daughters of 'the man' etc. that's interesting in it's own right.. C.S. Lewis, right? 'son of Adam'?

but looking here:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D7%94%D6%BE#Hebrew

it really does seem to give the sense that in Genesis 3:22, God is talking about "this man" Adam, not "mankind" -- at the very least that's a plausible reading of it according to the grammar?
because that's what we're really talking about here -- was Satan lying when he said eating from the tree of surely die would make a person like God, or was Satan telling the truth? was God drawing everyone's attention to say that Adam had become like one of The Us ((which One?)) or that both Adam and Woman/Eve had?

@Angela53510 or @oldhermit or @JaumeJ can help us on this question maybe?

just exploring this point some more - because IMO a good rule of thumb is that the right interpretation is the interpretation with the right Christology - there are a bunch of questions it raises:

whether adam in Genesis 3:22 refers to all mankind, to Adam & Eve, or to Adam in particular, Adam himself is included in what God says; i can just focus on him as representative of the general case

• how did Adam become like God?
• did Adam become like God by eating from the tree?
• did Adam become like God by something he did?
  • by something he said?
  • by something he thought?
  • by something he believed?
• is becoming like God something that happened to Adam or something Adam did to himself?
• did everyone become like God through Adam?
• can anyone become like God apart from Adam?
• who else does scripture describe as becoming like God?
  • how did they / do they / will they?
• who does scripture say wants to become like God?
• are there different ways of becoming like God?
  • is it only by eating from this tree?
  • does the tree actually make someone like God?
    • is Satan lying to Woman when he says so, or not?
    • if Satan's telling the truth about this, does it only work on humans?
    • can Satan eat from the tree? what will happen if he does?
    • did he? does he want to?
    • did he eat from the other tree? can he? does he want to?
• what does He mean by like one of Us?
  • why not 'like Me' ?
  • is this about some property God & angels share that Adam didn't originally have?
  • is this referring to trinity?
    • if so then to which one of the trinity?
• did Adam become like God the Father?
• did Adam become like the Spirit of God?
• did Adam become like Christ?
  • is Adam called a type of Christ?
  • is Eve?
  • is mankind in general?

and so on..