Acts 2.38 is to Israel not gentiles

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22¶Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:.

We can see here that Peter is addressing Jews ( Israel) .


33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

36¶Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Again we see ' ISRAEL '
37¶Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38¶Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

So we see here the information is to Jews . They need to repent . They need to step back and away from their idea that Jesus was a criminal who deserved to die . Now they are being told he was their deliverer .
They are to repent of this specifically.
They ask ' what must we DO ' , so eternal salvation is not in view here like it is in Acts 16.30 . Rather to Israel ,deliverence from their enemies by their messiah is the focus. Hence " what must we do "
This makes sense given now thier messiah was crucified , buried , rose again and was now seated at the right hand of the Father.

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The men of Israel are Jews. This was to the Jews. Peter was the apostle TO the Jews. This is Peter speaking. To Jews.
 
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There is a real question about God's relationship difference between gentiles and Jews. Many Christians truly believe that much of the old testament was to Jews only, and gentiles were never included in any care and love God expressed there. Yet much of scripture is about God's love for all men, all men were created by God. We are told in many scriptures in many ways that God's love is not based on who are parents were. There are 117 verses in the KJV where scripture explains, usually, that God is speaking to gentiles, calling them strangers among the Jews.

Our gentile parents were Hittites, Amorites, Canaanonites. They did not listen to the Lord, they were the gentiles. But when the Jews left Egypt to escape slavery, there was a mixed crowd. It wasn't composed of only people with Hebrew parents. Everyone was accepted.

When God gave the new covenant, it was to Israel. Yet many who insist that in the old testament God excluded gentiles from his care and love, accept that God meant the new covenant to include them.

Based on scripture, I feel certain that any time God speaks to the Jews, we are also included to learn from it. God does not tell us we are excluded.
 
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throughfaith said:
22¶Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:.

We can see here that Peter is addressing Jews ( Israel) .


33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

36¶Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Again we see ' ISRAEL '
37¶Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38¶Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

So we see here the information is to Jews . They need to repent . They need to step back and away from their idea that Jesus was a criminal who deserved to die . Now they are being told he was their deliverer .
They are to repent of this specifically.
They ask ' what must we DO ' , so eternal salvation is not in view here like it is in Acts 16.30 . Rather to Israel ,deliverence from their enemies by their messiah is the focus. Hence " what must we do "
This makes sense given now thier messiah was crucified , buried , rose again and was now seated at the right hand of the Father.

Thoughts?
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Peter happen to talk to Jews in that particular time, it doesn't mean gospel only for Jews.
Other time Peter preach to Cornelius a non Jews

American pastor preach in America say, America must repent, doesn't mean only America need repent. Every nation need it.
That pastor just happen preach in America, he have no reason to say Indonesian need repent.
Not because Indonesian do not sin, but he preach in America, no Indonesian hear it.
 
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A true Jew is one who praises God. This means the Word is spoken to all who believe.

Why do you suppose Jesus declares He is able to raise up sons of Abraham from the very stones?
 
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Acts 2.38 is to Israel not gentiles
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Just because Peter was addressing the Jews here does not mean that what he said does not have UNIVERSAL APPLICATION. Since all men are sinners, all need to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

How does one come up with bizarre interpretations? There must be a secret recipe for that.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Just because Peter was addressing the Jews here does not mean that what he said does not have UNIVERSAL APPLICATION. Since all men are sinners, all need to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

How does one come up with bizarre interpretations? There must be a secret recipe for that.
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So we ignore the details and context? Just generalise everything ? Can we just randomly apply all verses to mean the same in all situations?
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Just because Peter was addressing the Jews here does not mean that what he said does not have UNIVERSAL APPLICATION. Since all men are sinners, all need to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

How does one come up with bizarre interpretations? There must be a secret recipe for that.
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Thats a bit flimsy . I'm sure you don't do that with other verses ?
 
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JaumeJ said:
A true Jew is one who praises God. This means the Word is spoken to all who believe.

Why do you suppose Jesus declares He is able to raise up sons of Abraham from the very stones?
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Not sure what that has to do with Acts 2.38 ect ?
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Just because Peter was addressing the Jews here does not mean that what he said does not have UNIVERSAL APPLICATION. Since all men are sinners, all need to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

How does one come up with bizarre interpretations? There must be a secret recipe for that.
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How would you apply what Peter is saying leading up to verse 38 ,to gentiles ? Without going into generalisations and a Liberal interpretation? I think we miss the point of what's going on if we just apply verses universally.
 
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GraceAndTruth said:
The men of Israel are Jews. This was to the Jews. Peter was the apostle TO the Jews. This is Peter speaking. To Jews.
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Agree . The order is not the order in which we respond or the way we respond and appropriate the Gospel today .
 
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Agree . The order is not the order in which we respond or the way we respond and appropriate the Gospel today .
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Not sure what your comment has to do with my reply to the alert post I received, but it is certain in any dialogue on any subject when one posts to it and is alerte to me, I will respond to what is alerted to me. If this upsets you, I am sorry, but I am free to comment on what has been specifically brought to my attention in my home, on my PC.
God bless you with patience and longsuffering always..
 
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If we, as believers of Jesus-Yeshua, are to rule with God, we are Israel, for that is what Israel translates as.

How do people judge interpretations when they do not interpret for themselves? I do know the much of the Word has key words not fully translated in context with their true meaning. This lends to many who think they know to teach in error.

In ephesians it is mentioned that we are adopted into Issrael to rule with God.........read it all.
 
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throughfaith said:
So we ignore the details and context? Just generalise everything ? Can we just randomly apply all verses to mean the same in all situations?
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The idea of repentance is for the Jews and can be viewed from the parable of the tenants, told in all 3 synoptic gospels. (Matthew 21:33-46; Mark 12:1-12; Luke 20:9-19)

When Jesus and the 12 were preaching from Matt-John, they need to repent of rejecting God their Father in the OT, and believe in his Son is their promised King and Messiah, as foretold by their prophets.

But as Jesus told them in the parable of the tenants, they were wicked and decided to slay the son instead, thinking they can then take control of the vineyard. The words they told Pilate was really horrific from this perspective

Matthew 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

When Jesus was on the cross, he asked his father to forgive them for this act, because they know not what they do, the Father agreed to Jesus request.

So when Peter urged his Jewish brothers at Pentecost to repent (Acts 2:38), they are to repent from their horrific act of murdering the Son of God, and accept him once again as the Son of God and their King.

But of course they did not, so God blinded them temporary.

Repentance for Gentiles is not strictly necessary. We need to believe in Jesus's death burial and resurrection for our sins. If there is repentance, it more to repent of our works to get right with God, and rest in Jesus's finished works.
 
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Guojing said:
The idea of repentance is for the Jews and can be viewed from the parable of the tenants, told in all 3 synoptic gospels. (Matthew 21:33-46; Mark 12:1-12; Luke 20:9-19)

When Jesus and the 12 were preaching from Matt-John, they need to repent of rejecting God their Father in the OT, and believe in his Son is their promised King and Messiah, as foretold by their prophets.

But as Jesus told them in the parable of the tenants, they were wicked and decided to slay the son instead, thinking they can then take control of the vineyard. The words they told Pilate was really horrific from this perspective

Matthew 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

When Jesus was on the cross, he asked his father to forgive them for this act, because they know not what they do, the Father agreed to Jesus request.

So when Peter urged his Jewish brothers at Pentecost to repent (Acts 2:38), they are to repent from their horrific act of murdering the Son of God, and accept him once again as the Son of God and their King.

But of course they did not, so God blinded them temporary.

Repentance for Gentiles is not strictly necessary. We need to believe in Jesus's death burial and resurrection for our sins. If there is repentance, it more to repent of our works to get right with God, and rest in Jesus's finished works.
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Some say that Israel lost their chance nationally when crucified ( When they accused Jesus of doing the miracles in the power of the devil ). But it looks like they are given opportunity after the cross ? Especially with Stephen ?
 
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According to Paul the gospel is intended for all people. But, was first revealed to the Jewish people before it was revealed to the Gentiles. (Romans 1:16)

This truth is witnessed in the records of salvation requirements for the Samaritans, Gentiles and others. (Acts 8, 10, 19, 22) In each case the people are told to be obedient to the exact things Peter told the Jews was necessary. (Acts 2:38)
 
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JaumeJ said:
Not sure what your comment has to do with my reply to the alert post I received, but it is certain in any dialogue on any subject when one posts to it and is alerte to me, I will respond to what is alerted to me. If this upsets you, I am sorry, but I am free to comment on what has been specifically brought to my attention in my home, on my PC.
God bless you with patience and longsuffering always..
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I meant ' respond ' to the Gospel . Not respond on this forum lol . Your good . Appreciate the comments and value the push back .
 
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Wansvic said:
According to Paul the gospel is intended for all people. But, was first revealed to the Jewish people before it was revealed to the Gentiles. (Romans 1:16)

This truth is witnessed in the records of salvation requirements for the Samaritans, Gentiles and others. (Acts 8, 10, 19, 22) In each case the people are told to be obedient to the exact things Peter told the Jews was necessary. (Acts 2:38)
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Of course the Gospel is intended for the Gentiles . ( 1 cor .15 -1-4 )
There is no verse that says that others have to follow the message of Acts 2.38 ?
 
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Wansvic said:
According to Paul the gospel is intended for all people. But, was first revealed to the Jewish people before it was revealed to the Gentiles. (Romans 1:16)

This truth is witnessed in the records of salvation requirements for the Samaritans, Gentiles and others. (Acts 8, 10, 19, 22) In each case the people are told to be obedient to the exact things Peter told the Jews was necessary. (Acts 2:38)
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Gentiles are not told to repent of their wrong view that Jesus was a criminal and deserved to be murdered . Peter is addressing a specific message to a specific audience that is not applicable today. So it makes no sense to apply generally.
 
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Guojing said:
Repentance for Gentiles is not strictly necessary. We need to believe in Jesus's death burial and resurrection for our sins. If there is repentance, it more to repent of our works to get right with God, and rest in Jesus's finished works.
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I respectfully disagree. Repentance is required of everyone since Jesus paid the penalty for the sins of each individual throughout history. And therefore all contributed to His being put to death.
 
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