The 10 Commandments

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7; James 5:12
4. Keep the sabbath day holy. - Binding on the Church - Hebrews 4:9 (in context, see also 1 Cor. 10 & Ex. 16 w/ Rev 1:10, 3:10, 14:7,12, 17:12)
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

That is the same accusation that SDA's use and SDA's even go so far as to teach that near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.

Corrected.

Colossians 2 has nothing to say about the 4th Commandment:




Complete Powerpoint (which includes part 4):
https://archive.org/download/colossians-2vs-16/Colossians 2vs16.pptx

That simple, huh? You still have not explained to me exactly how you keep the sabbath day and you still have not shown me under the new covenant where Christians are commanded to keep the sabbath. So you assume that whenever the Bible mentions "commandments" in the New Testament is always refers to the 10 commandments under the law of Moses?

Since the old covenant law has been made obsolete, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. God made obsolete the old covenant to legally put into place the new covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13) The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ." (Galatians 6:2) Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10) and out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments which are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7; James 5:12
4. Keep the sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

The best way to interpret the meaning of John's writings is to compare them with the other writings of John. The Greek word for "commandments" in Rev. 14:12 is entole which means "an order, command, charge, precept, injunction." 20 The same word is used repeatedly in the writings of John to refer to the instructions of Christ. John uses an entirely different Greek word in his writings when he refers to the Ten Commandments: nomas. For example:

Did not Moses give you the law {nomos}, and [yet] none of you keepeth the law {nomos}? Why go ye about to kill me? (John 7:19; Jesus is referring to the 6th commandment "Thou shalt not kill"--Ex. 20:13) According to John, the number one commandment {entolae} of Jesus to the Apostles was not Sabbath-worship, but for them to love one another:

A new commandment {entolae} I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. (John 13:34) This is my commandment {entolae}, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. (John 15:12)

Notice how John refers to the "commandments" of God in his letter: By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments {entolas}. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments {entolas}; and His commandments {entolae} are not burdensome. (1 John 5:2-3)

Earlier in the same letter John tells us exactly what the "commandments" of God are: Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, [then] have we confidence toward God. And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His [God's] commandments {entolas} and do the things that are pleasing in His sight.

This is His [God's] commandment {entolae}, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He [God] commanded {entolaen} us. The one who keeps His [God's] commandments {entolas} abides in Him,... (1 John 3:21-24)
From this we can see that in John's writings the "commandments" of God are:

1. To believe in Jesus Christ
2. To love one another

What are the "Commandments of God"? The whole teaching of Adventists regarding the Mark of the Beast centers on Revelation 14:12 which says that those who have the "commandments of God" do not receive the mark. Adventists claim that this passage is referring to the Ten Commandments, and Sunday-keepers cannot be keeping the Ten Commandments because the Fourth Commandment instructs worship on Saturday.

https://nonsda.org/study8.shtml

People who heavily push sabbath keeping for Christians under the new covenant who say they believe that Christians are not under law for salvation could have fooled me. I've witnessed numerous sabbatarians over the years on various Christian forums (SDA's in particular) make a similar claim, but end up teaching "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works." Here is a statement from a former member of Christian Chat who clearly taught "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works."

The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.

Christians have faith in all the Lord says, which does not mean that Christians are under old covenant law.

Where in Genesis 2:3 did the Lord tell us to rest, also? Although God's rest on the seventh day did foreshadow a future sabbath law, there is no Biblical record of the sabbath before the children of Israel left the land of Egypt. *Nowhere in Scripture is there any hint that Sabbath keeping was practiced from Adam to Moses.* The word "sabbath" first appears in Exodus 16:23- Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.

God's word makes it clear that sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel: “The Israelites are to observe the sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested” (Exodus 31:16-17).

In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the 10 Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the sabbath was given to the nation Israel: “Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day” (Deuteronomy 5:15).

*Nowhere in the New Testament is the Church commanded to keep the weekly Sabbath day and to the contrary we find (Colossians 2:16-17).

I've been harshly judged numerous times over the years by SDA's and also by those who attend the Worldwide church of Christ (Armstrongism) for not believing that keeping the sabbath day is binding on Christians under the new covenant. Judged to the point of being told that if I continue to work (deliver mail) on Saturday, then my salvation will be in jeapardy.

Although the Pharisees added rules and regulations beyond what God’s law said, nonetheless, there were still rules and regulations that went along with keeping the sabbath under old covenant law, as I already explained in post #77.

2 Corinthians 3:6 - who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

The law on our heart and mind is the love of the Spirit, not the law of the letter. This is why Paul tells us that the new covenant is a covenant of the Spirit, and not of the letter. "No one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins, the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, new wine must be poured into new wineskins." (Luke 5:37-38).

That simple, huh? You still have not explained to me exactly how you keep the sabbath day and you still have not shown me under the new covenant where Christians are commanded to keep the sabbath. So you assume that whenever the Bible mentions "commandments" in the New Testament is always refers to the 10 commandments under the law of Moses?

Since the old covenant law has been made obsolete, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. God made obsolete the old covenant to legally put into place the new covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13) The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ." (Galatians 6:2) Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10) and out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments which are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7; James 5:12
4. Keep the sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

In Galatians 4:9 an obvious connection in Paul's teaching is revealed: "But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? You observe days and months and seasons and years."

GAL.4 [8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? [10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS.[11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Galatians 4 says nothing about sabbaths or feast days. Its speaking of those who observe times.

DEUT.18 [9] When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.[10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, OR AN OBSERVER OF TIMES, or an enchanter, or a witch,[11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

The same thing goes on to this very day. Its speaking of the occult. Those who observe certain days by use of horoscopes?

2 CHR.33 [3] For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.[4] Also he built altars in the house of the LORD, whereof the LORD had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.[5] And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD.[6] And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: ALSO HE OBSERVED TIMES, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger

Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards. Its speaking of the occult. Not following sabbath days.

LEV.19 [26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, NOR OBSERVE TIMES.[27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.[29] Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.[30] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

I guess this scripture says it all. You shall not observe times BUT you will keep my sabbaths.

I don't think one person can give another person understanding of what God does for us. It can only be given by God. Other people can only remind you of what God has already done and suggest God has More for You.

I am sure God will be so proud of you and tell you how awesome you were to be so righteous he must let you into heaven

You seem to have clear thinking about this, except that it is important to you that you change the Sabbath. There is no scripture that tells you to do this, it is only based on that Mary discovered that Christ had already risen, she discovered this on Sunday. That certainly is not saying that you must change the day of the Sabbath.

Yet there is scripture after scripture speaking of the Sabbath that God created when God created the world, it is in the creation story even. If we just go by scripture there is no question about the Sabbath.

If it is important to you to follow Jesus, then you must follow the Father for Jesus said the two of them were one. He said He changed nothing of the Father. Yet Sunday keepers insist on changing the Sabbath.

I don't think it is part of the Christian walk to make a fuss about it. But if the Sunday keepers think it is important to follow scripture, their stand on this is surely questionable.

That is something else I don't understand about the Sunday keepers. Why do they always bring up that keeping the Sabbath won't save? No one but Sunday keepers brings this up or even considers it.

Nobody is stating that salvation is through the sabbath, a false claim in diversion.

Sunday is not the Sabbath of the Lord, its the sabbath of Roman Emperor Constantine, its that simple.

That is something else I don't understand about the Sunday keepers. Why do they always bring up that keeping the Sabbath won't save? No one but Sunday keepers brings this up or even considers it.

I reiterate, if you believe you’re saved through honoring the Sabbath then I’m happy for you. As for me, I’ll stick with having faith in Jesus Christ.

I dont believe the Sabbath is a means of salvation, it's a commandment, the same as dont kill or steal

You need to get your facts straight and not falsely accuse. No Christian says it is obedience to law that results in salvation and your false accusation labels you as acting in a most unchristian way.

If a Christian points out that the ten commandments do much to explain the spirit of the law, they are not purely the letter of the law, that does not mean that they believe in the letter of the law as you, in a very unchristian like way, are saying.

You are flaunting the ways of the lord with your false accusations. Bearing false witness is against both the commandments written in stone and commandments written in our hearts.

If you give one day through and through, completely to the Lord, do you honestly believe it matters to God which day you choose?

no, i don't want to change anything good.


but this is what we must give up, become to really follow Christ:

Luke 14:

25 A large crowd was following Jesus. He turned around and said to them,

26 “If you want to be my disciple, you must, by comparison, hate everyone else—your father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even your own life.

Otherwise, you cannot be my disciple.

27 And if you do not carry your own cross and follow me, you cannot be my disciple.

28 “But don’t begin until you count the cost. For who would begin construction of a building without first calculating the cost to see if there is enough money to finish it?

29 Otherwise, you might complete only the foundation before running out of money, and then everyone would laugh at you.

30 They would say, ‘There’s the person who started that building and couldn’t afford to finish it!’

the Christians here you are trying to convince, have they ever picked up their own Cross and followed Christ? and how much have they? Christ is the the Way and the Truth and the Life.

those really picking up their cross or who have in the past even and know about really following Christ should love Truth. if it hangs on one thing in the NT, how scant is that? and how important not to lie to others (thou shalt not bear false witness).

but you must begin to see everything that is false in yourself, in life, in doctrines, in men's teachings, in everything. you must want to be true, be real, be good, do right, walk in truth, think in truth.

that is Christ.