Apparent Contradictions

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There are liberal theological universities that don't believe that the scriptures are inspired. I don't know why they enjoy such a career. I imagine it must be some kind of unholy motive or pride or arrogance but that should not be used to describe the motives of all those Bible Believing theologians who's motivation is to KNOW GOD BETTER and to make him known.

Most theologians in a Bible Believing theological university have no desire to impress others or exclude them from any academic elitist club. They are saved believers and love the Word and love to study it and to educate others who love the Word.

We all know to stay away from those liberal theologians and not waste time with their books.

I understand what you are saying. I know that there are many wonderful, sincere Christian people in those environments who understand the reality of the Word of God and who honour it accordingly.

I particularly like your comment where your say that “their motivation is to KNOW GOD BETTER and to make him known.”

Indeed, this motivation is to be at the centre of everything that is to be done in the Body of Christ.

He is the one we proclaim, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone fully mature in Christ. To this end I strenuously contend with all the energy Christ so powerfully works in me. (Colossians 1:28–29, NIV)



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Blik

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Frankly that sounds like a made up theory by someone who has never read a systematic theology book, attended a bible college or even read a New Testament or Old Testament Survey book and is guessing about what goes on in a bible college.
What goes on with bible scholars and in bible college is the problem. Most study man's thoughts and they can be a distortion. To learn of God, all the input in learning of God has to come from God. Ever since Constantine had the council decide about God's ways and put them under the state, saying they could make decisions about God and saying those decisions came from the holy spirit instead of men, there has been a distortion.

Just since God has been working with people, since about the 40's when prophecies began to come true, there have been people who only use God to teach about God. But they included the old testament, and some went overboard in that. The bible scholars and bible schools have fought them. It is called the roots movement calling the old testament the roots and the hue and cry is intense.

Bible schools and scholars base their studies on that Christ made everything new. The Lord tells us He is eternal, all His word is truth, that God does not change. God gave rules in stone before Christ, after Christ God spoke directly to our hearts, a better way. But the rules did not change. They just come to us with more accuracy.
 
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What goes on with bible scholars and in bible college is the problem. Most study man's thoughts and they can be a distortion. To learn of God, all the input in learning of God has to come from God. Ever since Constantine had the council decide about God's ways and put them under the state, saying they could make decisions about God and saying those decisions came from the holy spirit instead of men, there has been a distortion.

Just since God has been working with people, since about the 40's when prophecies began to come true, there have been people who only use God to teach about God. But they included the old testament, and some went overboard in that. The bible scholars and bible schools have fought them. It is called the roots movement calling the old testament the roots and the hue and cry is intense.

Bible schools and scholars base their studies on that Christ made everything new. The Lord tells us He is eternal, all His word is truth, that God does not change. God gave rules in stone before Christ, after Christ God spoke directly to our hearts, a better way. But the rules did not change. They just come to us with more accuracy.
I suppose Scholar can be a loose term unless defined for the conversation.
Here are a few definitions I found:
Biblical scholars usually try to interpret a particular text within its original historical context and use whatever information is available to reconstruct that setting. Historical criticism aims to determine the provenance, authorship, and process by which ancient texts were composed.

Gee, that doesn't sound so bad!

Here is another:
In secular academic circles, Biblical scholars are folks at accredited institutions who do research related to Biblical literature and cultures, including archaeologists, linguists, historians, sociologists, and literary critics.

And another:

What is a Bible scholar?
A scholar is one who has distinguished himself in a particular field of study. So, a Bible scholar is one who has studied the Bible in some sort of advanced, presumably academic sense, doing research to better understand its deeper meanings and contexts. There are many opportunities for any person to study the Bible, and as a believer in Christ, we should all be students of the Word of God (Acts 17:11).
a Bible scholar studies for the more singular purpose of clarifying what the Bible says. Many seminaries have separate departments for each of these positions: a "Pastoral Studies" department, a "Theological Studies" department, and a "Biblical Studies" department.
Bible scholars, and all Christians, should be able to apply their biblical knowledge to life and ministry.

Dictionary:
1) a specialist in a particular branch of study, especially the humanities; a distinguished academic.
"a Hebrew scholar"

2) A student who has been awarded a scholarship

So what goes on with Bible Scholars and Bible Colleges is that they desire to study the Word and understand it in it's original context and intended meaning. Not a bad idea. As a matter of fact we should all give bible college a chance in our lives, it would clear up most of the confusion posted on CC.

People who have not gone to bible college should not comment on what goes on in bible colleges or what is wrong with them. People who have attended and completed a class have a valid opinion on what was wrong or right about that class.

I know that this is all painfully obvious but I just wanted to bring to light how immature it sounds when people accuse bible colleges of being some kind of evil attempt to indoctrinate you with false teachings or make you not believe the inspiration of the bible. Those are called LIBERAL bible colleges and you should specify such rather than malign all bible colleges or scholars as being something "other than" learning the Word of God which is what most of them are all about.
 

Blik

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I know that this is all painfully obvious but I just wanted to bring to light how immature it sounds when people accuse bible colleges of being some kind of evil attempt to indoctrinate you with false teachings or make you not believe the inspiration of the bible. Those are called LIBERAL bible colleges and you should specify such rather than malign all bible colleges or scholars as being something "other than" learning the Word of God which is what most of them are all about.
When posters make these false accusations of any post that is not positive it makes it impossible to have a discussion. Each Christian has a goal of seeing the Lord clearly, and when posters working toward that goal is so misunderstood and accused, it makes it hard for anyone to join in working toward that goal.
 

Dino246

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When posters make these false accusations of any post that is not positive it makes it impossible to have a discussion. Each Christian has a goal of seeing the Lord clearly, and when posters working toward that goal is so misunderstood and accused, it makes it hard for anyone to join in working toward that goal.
Let me get this straight...

You, Blik, made the following comments in post #22: "What goes on with bible scholars and in bible college is the problem. Most study man's thoughts and they can be a distortion" and "there have been people who only use God to teach about God.... The bible scholars and bible schools have fought them."

Scribe called you on it, saying "people accuse bible colleges of being some kind of evil" and "... malign all bible colleges or scholars".

Your response to him is, "When posters make these false accusations...".

Are you so completely oblivious to your own comments, that when called on them, you accuse others of falsehood? You freely paraphrase the words of others, but when someone does it to you, you call it "false accusations".

I don't know if you just aren't paying attention, your brain is malfunctioning, or you're a self-righteous hypocrite.
 
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Let me get this straight...

You, Blik, made the following comments in post #22: "What goes on with bible scholars and in bible college is the problem. Most study man's thoughts and they can be a distortion" and "there have been people who only use God to teach about God.... The bible scholars and bible schools have fought them."

Scribe called you on it, saying "people accuse bible colleges of being some kind of evil" and "... malign all bible colleges or scholars".

Your response to him is, "When posters make these false accusations...".

Are you so completely oblivious to your own comments, that when called on them, you accuse others of falsehood? You freely paraphrase the words of others, but when someone does it to you, you call it "false accusations".

I don't know if you just aren't paying attention, your brain is malfunctioning, or you're a self-righteous hypocrite.
Wow.. I was going to just let it slide. :eek:
 
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Let me get this straight...

You, Blik, made the following comments in post #22: "What goes on with bible scholars and in bible college is the problem. Most study man's thoughts and they can be a distortion" and "there have been people who only use God to teach about God.... The bible scholars and bible schools have fought them."

Scribe called you on it, saying "people accuse bible colleges of being some kind of evil" and "... malign all bible colleges or scholars".

Your response to him is, "When posters make these false accusations...".

Are you so completely oblivious to your own comments, that when called on them, you accuse others of falsehood? You freely paraphrase the words of others, but when someone does it to you, you call it "false accusations".

I don't know if you just aren't paying attention, your brain is malfunctioning, or you're a self-righteous hypocrite.
Dino, you're going to feel awful you find out that he has brain malfunctioning challenges. :oops:
 

Dino246

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Dino, you're going to feel awful you find out that he has brain malfunctioning challenges. :oops:
Blik is female; I know this from her previous posts in other threads.

I have observed and addressed her hypocrisy several times, yet it continues. Either there is a lack of conscience, or a lack of awareness. Perhaps you could offer an explanation that I have not considered?
 
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Blik is female; I know this from her previous posts in other threads.

I have observed and addressed her hypocrisy several times, yet it continues. Either there is a lack of conscience, or a lack of awareness. Perhaps you could offer an explanation that I have not considered?
I could but then I would feel bad too. :) I try to be patient with all men, (or women). I am not always successful but I keep working on it. I try not get provoked. I fail sometimes. Then I think about quitting CC. But I find that it is a great training app. :)
 

Blik

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Let me get this straight...

You, Blik, made the following comments in post #22: "What goes on with bible scholars and in bible college is the problem. Most study man's thoughts and they can be a distortion" and "there have been people who only use God to teach about God.... The bible scholars and bible schools have fought them."

Scribe called you on it, saying "people accuse bible colleges of being some kind of evil" and "... malign all bible colleges or scholars".

Your response to him is, "When posters make these false accusations...".

Are you so completely oblivious to your own comments, that when called on them, you accuse others of falsehood? You freely paraphrase the words of others, but when someone does it to you, you call it "false accusations".

I don't know if you just aren't paying attention, your brain is malfunctioning, or you're a self-righteous hypocrite.
Are you actually saying that it is right that if a person studies what others say about scripture they are EVIL!! And to question them is to malign them? I don't think any rational person would label these things either evil or maligning them. Yet that is what this post said.
 

Blik

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I could but then I would feel bad too. :) I try to be patient with all men, (or women). I am not always successful but I keep working on it. I try not get provoked. I fail sometimes. Then I think about quitting CC. But I find that it is a great training app. :)
Wow!! There is an attack of anyone who truly studies the old testament as not believing in the new and on and on, and the attack is often to abuse the person but this is over the top.

Christ was attacked by the establishment, this is a copy of those times, thank the Lord you will not kill me as they did Christ.
 
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Wow!! There is an attack of anyone who truly studies the old testament as not believing in the new and on and on, and the attack is often to abuse the person but this is over the top.

Christ was attacked by the establishment, this is a copy of those times, thank the Lord you will not kill me as they did Christ.
Blik I think things are all confused, just let it go. It seems to be just a big misunderstanding. Things were misread several posts back and it is not even important.
 

Dino246

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Are you actually saying that it is right that if a person studies what others say about scripture they are EVIL!!
No, that's what you said (in effect), in post #22: "What goes on with bible scholars and in bible college is the problem. Most study man's thoughts and they can be a distortion."

Because you are apparently unable to process subtle distinctions of meaning, you really should not paraphrase the words of others. Instead, quote them directly, and don't ask, "Are you saying..." questions, because they are often off the mark... a long way.

And to question them is to malign them? I don't think any rational person would label these things either evil or maligning them. Yet that is what this post said.
I don't think any rational person would get any of that from my posts. However, when people question you, you respond with, "False accusations!". Who, exactly, is doing the maligning here?

I look forward to seeing how badly you distort my words in your next post.