Sunday Blue Laws, What's Its Foundation?

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Truth7t7 said:
No place in scripture do I find that (Pentecost) was on the first day Sunday, please post the scripture supporting your claim.
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And you shall count for yourselves from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering: seven Sabbaths shall be completed. Count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath; then you shall offer a new grain offering to the Lord. ​
(Leviticus 23:15-16) ​
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the 50th day after the sabbath. the 1st day after the 7th sabbath from Pascha.

that's clearly the 8th/1st day of the week.

so quit lying about this, okay? you put 'truth' as your screen name; then live up to what you have taken for yourself to be called.
this is not difficult information to find.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
No place in scripture do I find that (Pentecost) was on the first day Sunday, please post the scripture supporting your claim.
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"pentecost" is literally Greek for "50th"

this is the Shavuot, the Feast of Weeks, the Feast of Harvest -- and it is not a sabbath day. it is the day after sabbath; it is the 8th day, seven sevens after the day Christ rose from the dead.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
I disagree, the outer court of the temple was for all, Jew and Gentile, the church was established by preaching from Sabbath to Sabbath.
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daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.
(Acts 5:42)
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Sunday, in dedication to the God of the Sun, Saturn, Ra, etc

(Pagan Origins)
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false here again, mate.

"Saturn-day" is Saturday.

you will not find evidence of any weekly pagan Roman service to Helios -- that was a yearly festival in August.
 
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Christ is here typified by the sun:

The heavens declare the glory of God;
and the firmament shows His handiwork.
Day unto day utters speech,
and night unto night reveals knowledge.
There is no speech nor language
where their voice is not heard.
Their line has gone out through all the earth,
and their words to the end of the world.​
In them He has set a tabernacle for the sun,
which is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber,
and rejoices like a strong man to run its race.
Its rising is from one end of heaven,
and its circuit to the other end;
and there is nothing hidden from its heat.
(Psalm 19:1-6)
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The Bridegroom completing His work with joy, from Whom nothing is hidden -- the heavens a tabernacle to Him

all things are for Him and to Him and by Him :)
'Sol Invictus' -- who is that ineffable Light, against whom no one can stand, who has all victory?
 
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Truth7t7 said:
Your claim is false, the vast majority of society hasn't killed, there is one commandment kept
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which man never hated in his heart, or was never angry with his brother without cause?
please see Matthew 5:21-22

or see James 2:10 -- if we stumbled at any point of the Law, we were guilty of breaking it entire.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
I see what your saying, but the fact of the matter is the 10 commandments are binding today, the 10 Commandments are a foundation for the Magna Carta and US constitution, however history has shown that the 7th day sabbath has went by the wayside, Emperor Constatine in 321 AD played a major role.
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The 10 commandments are only binding to those who don't know Christ and are not in Christ and don't have faith in Christ.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Here's some scripture in Hebrews that explains it pretty well;
Hebrews 7:11-22
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)

22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
 
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posthuman said:
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And you shall count for yourselves from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering: seven Sabbaths shall be completed. Count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath; then you shall offer a new grain offering to the Lord. ​
(Leviticus 23:15-16) ​
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the 50th day after the sabbath. the 1st day after the 7th sabbath from Pascha.

that's clearly the 8th/1st day of the week.

so quit lying about this, okay? you put 'truth' as your screen name; then live up to what you have taken for yourself to be called.
this is not difficult information to find.
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That scripture dosent evening the Sunday the first day of the week is the sabbath
 
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Grandpa said:
The 10 commandments are only binding to those who don't know Christ and are not in Christ and don't have faith in Christ.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Here's some scripture in Hebrews that explains it pretty well;
Hebrews 7:11-22
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)

22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
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I disagree, the 10 commandments are binding upon the Curch today, as scripture (Clearly Teaches)

Will you Act As If The Scripture Below Doesn't Exist?

Luke 6:5KJV
5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

John 14:15KJV
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1 John 2:2-3KJV
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 5:2-3KJV
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Revelation 14:12KJV
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
 
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Grandpa said:
The 10 commandments are only binding to those who don't know Christ and are not in Christ and don't have faith in Christ.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Here's some scripture in Hebrews that explains it pretty well;
Hebrews 7:11-22
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)

22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
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if we need commandments in order for us to walk righteously then righteousness is not in our hearts but imposed on us outwardly through threat of punishment.

it's written, the law is not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebellious of heart -- 1 Timothy 1:9
 
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Truth7t7 said:
That scripture dosent evening the Sunday the first day of the week is the sabbath
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i'm sorry i did not realize, are you unable to read?

And you shall count for yourselves from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering: seven Sabbaths shall be completed. Count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath; then you shall offer a new grain offering to the Lord. ​
(Leviticus 23:15-16) ​
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Truth7t7 said:
That scripture dosent evening the Sunday the first day of the week is the sabbath
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"pentecost" = Greek word for "fiftieth"

50mod7 = 1 = 8mod7

7 sevens is 49. 1 day more = 50 = an 8th/1st day, the day after the sabbath of the Jews.


i can't believe you're really trying to argue that Shavuot is a 7th day. wow.
literally ask any Jew on earth or any source of information --- not even OAN or Breitbart calls the Feast of Weeks a sabbath.

just wow. how cultic you are!
 
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Truth7t7 said:
I disagree, the 10 commandments are binding upon the Curch today, as scripture (Clearly Teaches)

Will you Act As If The Scripture Below Doesn't Exist?

Luke 6:5KJV
5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

John 14:15KJV
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1 John 2:2-3KJV
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 5:2-3KJV
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Revelation 14:12KJV
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
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You disagree because you don't understand scripture.

You don't seem to even want to.


3/5 of the scriptures you just posted weren't even about the 10 commandments.
 
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posthuman said:
"pentecost" = Greek word for "fiftieth"

50mod7 = 1 = 8mod7

7 sevens is 49. 1 day more = 50 = an 8th/1st day, the day after the sabbath of the Jews.


i can't believe you're really trying to argue that Shavuot is a 7th day. wow.
literally ask any Jew on earth or any source of information --- not even OAN or Breitbart calls the Feast of Weeks a sabbath.

just wow. how cultic you are!
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People 200 years ago didnt have calculators to figure out your system, now what :giggle:
 
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Truth7t7 said:
People 200 years ago didnt have calculators to figure out your system, now what :giggle:
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you don't need a calculator to understand that 8 comes after 7, and that if you are counting by 7's, every 8th is a 1st.

and BTW Euclid wrote down the fundamentals of this kind of math in the 4th century BC.
 
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Grandpa said:
You disagree because you don't understand scripture.

You don't seem to even want to.


3/5 of the scriptures you just posted weren't even about the 10 commandments.
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No argument in disregard of the very clear scripture below, the horse is dead

Luke 6:5KJV
5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

John 14:15KJV
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1 John 2:2-3KJV
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 5:2-3KJV
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Revelation 14:12KJV
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
No argument in disregard of the very clear scripture below, the horse is dead

Luke 6:5KJV
5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

John 14:15KJV
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1 John 2:2-3KJV
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 5:2-3KJV
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Revelation 14:12KJV
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
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There is no argument from me against scripture.

YOU just have to reconcile the scripture I have posted with the scripture that you have posted.

You can't just ignore scripture and pretend it doesn't exist.


Otherwise you are Truth7t7/2
 
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Truth7t7 said:
John 14:15KJV
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
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is it weird that He says "My commandments"

why doesn't He say 'keep the law of Moses' or 'keep the covenant of Horeb' or 'keep the 10 commandments' ?
is it good for someone to preach as though He said this, when that's not what He actually says?

now we have to know, what are 'His commandments' ?
was it His commandment that Ahimelek the priest give David and his men the shewbread - directly breaking the law given in the Torah? ((1 Samuel 21, c.f. Matthew 12, Mark 2; Leviticus 24))
was this according to the purpose of God or was this evil? Saul killed him for it. was that right of him to do?

why does Christ give an example of breaking the Law yet not being guilty as an answer to why the disciples are harvesting grain on a sabbath?
why doesn't He say 'they aren't breaking sabbath' -- instead pointing to two things specifically forbidden by the law being acceptable in God's sight? David & co. eating things forbidden by the law for them to eat, and priests "desecrating the sabbath" every week in the temple according to their requirements to perform sacrifices on those days.
why is this the perfect answer?
 
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Truth7t7 said:
Please post your (Complete) scripture showing the word of God being preached on Sunday, waiting?

The Church was established on the Sabbath, not Sunday as you claim.

Acts 13:42-44KJV
42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
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If you want to get serious about this worshipping on THE sabbath day, our Saturday isn’t the original sabbath. The Calendar has been changed several times. You need to find the seventh day according to the beginning of time to be worshipping God on the same day HE rested, The evening and the morning of the seventh day. Rolling over since the first seventh day. Otherwise you risk a high 6/7 chance of worshipping on The wrong “sabbath” day. For all we know. Sunday IS “sometimes” the original day, now that would be something wouldn’t it.

Even according to the day Christ rose. The Julian Calendar , in full use then, was 8 days short of the Calender we have now. So... are we following Gods Decree established on the last day of His week, the weeks as decreed by the Julian Calendar or the The Roman Calendar (with its pagan Saturn worship Day and Sun worship day making up our debate.)

Jesus didn’t concern himself with all of this however. He just obeyed a day of rest every seven days as a Jew. If that’s Saturday for you great. If believers choose a sabbath as Sunday great, if they choose every single day to worship and rest in Christ as those sabbath, great.
 

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