Understanding Gen 2:7

Breathe of Life gave Adam and Eve Life but the Tree of Life sustained Adam and Eve.

You have a very serious misunderstanding of the entire subject. Adam and Eve were banished from Eden BEFORE they could tamper with the Tree of Life.

When the Bible says that God breathed into Adam the breath of life, it is another way of stating that it is God who gives life to human beings. . Ever since Adam, life is given to humans at conception (contrary to the fiction created by the US Supreme Court).

You have a very serious misunderstanding of the entire subject. Adam and Eve were banished from Eden BEFORE they could tamper with the Tree of Life.

You sure it wasn't the serpent that was sent forth from the Garden?

Scripture affirms, over and over, that man is made of three parts - body, spirit and soul. In 1st Thessalonians 5:23 a living, or "whole" man is spirit, soul and body. These different organs are shown to have different functions, and at death, especially Christ's death, go to different places. Our Lord's BODY was placed in a tomb or sepulcher ON the surface of the earth. His spirit returned to God who gave it (Eccli.3:21, 12:7), which is why He gave UP the spirit. And His SOUL went to the heart of the earth (Matt.12:40).

In resurrection, the "soul" returns to the body (1st Ki.17:21-22). So does the spirit (Lk.8:55).

The teaching that there is no consciousness in the grave is correct. But "grave" pertains to the BODY. The Old Testament presents man as keeper of the earth and subject of God. His duty and inheritance are to the earth (Gen.1:26-28). So, IN REGARD to being born, eating, fighting, praying toward a Temple made with hands and subduing the earth, all this ceases at death. It has all to do with the Body. God dwelt in a certain PLACE, so the body is first in view.

But the New Testament is different. God has deigned now to live IN man. But God is a holy God and does not dwell in sullied flesh. Nor is the soul an appropriate vessel. Just like the Tabernacle and Temple, God dwells in the inmost part - the human spirit. The human spirit is God's breath, made for God Who is a Spirit, which must undergo a new and additional birth by God's Spirit (Jn.3:6), is the meeting of God and the man (Jn.4:24) and in his deepest intimacy with God, is ONE SPIRIT with the Lord (1st Cor.6:17).

However, on examining Genesis 2:7, as the Title suggests, we find that the MAIN part of the man is SOUL. And from that moment on scripture, both Old and New Testaments, regard man as a SOUL (e.g. Gen.12:5, 17:14; Act.2:42, etc. etc.). The most documented Man of the bible is Jesus. He also has preeminence in ALL things, so nobody could go through a process that He was not first in. At the well documented death of our Lord Jesus (i) gave UP His spirit. According to James 2:26, this was the point of death. His BODY hungthere a while longer and was then placed in the Tomb. But sometime before he died, our Lord Jesus promised a repentant thief that they would be together THAT DAY (by sunset), NOT in the Tomb, but in Paradise.

Matthew 12:40 says that our Lord would three days in the heart of the earth, Ephesians 4:9 confirms this in He "FIRST descended". And that He stayed there is confirmed by John 20:17 because even after His resurrection He had NOT "YET" ascended to the Father. Acts 2:28-34 seals the matter and says that our Lord's SOUL was in Hades but that it had been released from Hades. Added to this, the promise to the thief "you will be with me in Paradise" IMPLIES consciousness. If there was no consciousness in Hades, then how could the thief appreciate being with the Lord? But all that becomes secondary in the light of Luke Chapter 15.

A dispute rages over Luke 15. Some say the narrative on the rich man and Lazarus is a Parable. Some say it is a true story. The solution should be clear to all. If our Lord Jesus, source of all truth, and being "the Truth", said that Abraham, a well known man, did or said something that he did do or say, He, Jesus would be found a liar. Perish the thought. The narrative of the rich man and Lazarus is a true account of certain events. And this settles, forever, the condition of a man in Hades. The rich man could talk, feel, calculate, decide and understand while in Hades. And so could Abraham. And a man names Lazarus, who was poor and sickly in life, could be "comforted" in death. Lastly, Paul, "caught AWAY" (lit. Gk.) to Paradise, "... heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter" (2nd Corinthians 12:4). That is, th speaking in Hades is real and understandable to a living human.

To summarize;

1. The silence and cessation of all activities of a dead man PERTAIN TO THE BODY
2. The spirit of man, which is his vitality (Jas.2:26), returns to God at death, and is given back at resurrection
3. The SOUL of man IS the Man, and is fully animated in life and in death, on the earth, under the earth, or, in heaven if it goes there as a whole man

You have a very serious misunderstanding of the entire subject. Adam and Eve were banished from Eden BEFORE they could tamper with the Tree of Life.

I believe that they were banished because if they ate of the tree of life they would have eternal life under their current sinful state. God placed an angel guarding the entrance of the Garden of Eden to prevent anyone from eating of it at the inappropriate time, including Adam and Eve. I agree with your estimation.

I not sure what the US supreme court has to do with anything>?? You just said the same thing I did underlined part^^

[QUOTE="laymen, post: 4432254, member: 193365"]Breathe of Life gave Adam and Eve Life but the Tree of Life sustained Adam and Eve

luke 23:43 It should be noted that the comma between the words “thee” and “to day” was inserted by the translators. The original Greek text, which had neither punctuation nor word division. reads: amēn soi legō sēmeron met emou esē en tō paradeisō, literally, “truly to-you I-say today with-me you-will-be in the paradise.” The adverb sēmeron, “today,” stands between the two verbs legō, “I-say,” and esē, “you-will-be,” and might properly apply to either. Its position immediately following the verb legō, “I-say,” may imply a closer grammatical relationship to it than to the verb esē, “you will be.”
Obviously, in placing the comma before the word “to day,” the translators were guided by the unscriptural concept that the dead enter into their rewards at death. But, as set forth above, it is manifest that neither Jesus nor the writers of the NT believed or taught such a doctrine. To place the comma before the word “today” thus makes Christ contradict what He and the various NT writers have plainly stated elsewhere. Accordingly, the Scriptures themselves require that the comma be placed after the word “to day,” not before it. See on John 4:35, 36.
Thus what Christ actually said to the thief on the cross was: “Verily I say unto thee today, Thou shalt be with me in paradise.” The great question the thief was pondering at the moment was not when he would reach paradise, but whether he would get there at all. Jesus’ simple statement assures him that, however undeserving he may be and however impossible it may appear for Jesus—dying the death of a condemned criminal—to make good such a promise, the thief will most assuredly be there. In fact, it was Jesus’ presence on the cross that made such a hope possible.(SDABC)

I also agree that the Translators were influenced by 1,000 years of Roman Catholic doctrine - thus the word "Easter" in Acts 12:4

I appreciate your reply, and I am familiar with the discussion on its grammar. I also agree with the fact that no punctuation was in the original. I also agree that the Translators were influenced by 1,000 years of Roman Catholic doctrine - thus the word "Easter" in Acts 12:4 and the unwarranted "caught UP" in 2nd Corinthians 12:4. For the following reasons I agree with 99% of translators, who, under great peer pressure, and the rules of grammar, place the comma where it is in most translations.

1. Your translation is equally in doubt. It is not set where, and if, a comma should be inserted
2. The language of the Holy Spirit is consistently concise. It is, and would be, cumbersome to state the obvious. No matter when our Lord said that, it would have been, "today". Not even grade school students would say that.
3. Our Lord Jesus, versed in the Law of Moses, knew that the Jews would not leave a man still hanging on a cross after the day changed at sunset (Deut.21:22-23). The Romans might, as it was customary for crucified men to linger as long as two days, but the Pharisees would not. Therefore, "today" would not only be true, but also a relieving word for the thief
4. Your argument from the last paragraph is void. The malefactor asked our Lord about entry into the His Kingdom. The Lord answers not a word concerning the Kingdom. The Kingdom is gained (i) by being born again (Jn.3:3), (ii) by being Baptized (Jn.3:5), (iii) by doing the will of the Father in service (Matt.7:21), (iv) by being intimate with Jesus (Matt.7:23, 25:1, 12), (v) by denying the self, taking up your cross and losing your (soul) life (Matt.10:39, 16:24-27), and (vi) avoiding habitual sin (1st Cor.6:9-10; Gal.5:21, Eph.5:5). I will grant point # (i), but the other five points disqualify him from the Kingdom. He admitted that his works had earned him the death penalty. He was singularly unfit for the Kingdom.
5. Paradise is a PLACE, not a reward. In death we "groan" in nakedness (2nd Cor.5:1-3). So Abraham's Bosom is a place of "comfort". Paradise implies an elevation in pleasure much beyond "comfort", most probably because our Lord Jesus continues His relationship with His own (Ps.139:8; Phil.1:23). In this the thief was promised privilege.

I appreciate your reply, and I am familiar with the discussion on its grammar. I also agree with the fact that no punctuation was in the original. I also agree that the Translators were influenced by 1,000 years of Roman Catholic doctrine - thus the word "Easter" in Acts 12:4 and the unwarranted "caught UP" in 2nd Corinthians 12:4. For the following reasons I agree with 99% of translators, who, under great peer pressure, and the rules of grammar, place the comma where it is in most translations.

Your argument from the last paragraph is void. The malefactor asked our Lord about entry into the His Kingdom.

I appreciate your reply, and I am familiar with the discussion on its grammar. I also agree with the fact that no punctuation was in the original. I also agree that the Translators were influenced by 1,000 years of Roman Catholic doctrine - thus the word "Easter" in Acts 12:4 and the unwarranted "caught UP" in 2nd Corinthians 12:4. For the following reasons I agree with 99% of translators, who, under great peer pressure, and the rules of grammar, place the comma where it is in most translations.

Paradise is a PLACE, not a reward. In death we "groan" in nakedness (2nd Cor.5:1-3). So Abraham's Bosom is a place of "comfort". Paradise implies an elevation in pleasure much beyond "comfort", most probably because our Lord Jesus continues His relationship with His own (Ps.139:8; Phil.1:23). In this the thief was promised privilege.

You have a very serious misunderstanding of the entire subject. Adam and Eve were banished from Eden BEFORE they could tamper with the Tree of Life.

I believe that they were banished because if they ate of the tree of life they would have eternal life under their current sinful state. God placed an angel guarding the entrance of the Garden of Eden to prevent anyone from eating of it at the inappropriate time, including Adam and Eve. I agree with your estimation.

That's just another nonsensical observation. The translators of the KjV were primarily Puritans and Anglicans, and were full apprised of the errors of the church of Rome. Read their Preface ("The Translators to the Reader"). "Easter" is equivalent to Pascha, which includes both the feasts of Passover and Unleavened Bread, and corresponded to the Easter season (by then a well-established Christian festival).

..But sometime before he died, our Lord Jesus promised a repentant thief that they would be together THAT DAY (by sunset), NOT in the Tomb, but in Paradise.