Statement from the Washington National Cathedral

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TheIndianGirl

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The Washington National Cathedral posted a statement on Facebook today, which my church liked and shared. Here is the statement. Any thoughts? Do you think churches should be making these types of statements?

From Dean Randy Hollerith and Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde:

The racist and religious overtones surrounding the effort to discredit the presidential election were on ugly display in downtown Washington on Saturday night, just blocks from the White House.
After a pro-Trump rally that aimed to overturn the will of the people in the presidential election, demonstrators and members of the Proud Boys ripped down Black Lives Matter banners outside two historically Black congregations, Asbury United Methodist Church and Metropolitan AME Church. In a chilling scene, one was set on fire as crowds chanted profanities.
We reject the version of Christianity that seeks to provide a mantle of spiritual authority to the poison of White nationalism. Religious leaders who bless these rallies, or lend their voice to the effort to subvert democracy, make a mockery of our faith. What we are witnessing is nothing less than idolatry--the worship of someone other than God as though he were God.
The blatant racism of this lost cause is alarming. The senior pastor of Asbury United Methodist Church was right to call the burning of her church’s banner a new version of cross burnings.
White hoods have given way to black-and-gold militarism. Such hatred grieves the very heart of God, and we cannot turn a blind eye to such displays of white supremacy.
We believe that Black Lives Matter because Black lives matter to God. The Proud Boys and their hatred are not welcome here.
For us at Washington National Cathedral and throughout the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, this is the season of Advent, in which we wait in expectation for the birth of Jesus, the Prince of Peace. This we know: God’s Kingdom is built with open hearts, not clenched fists. Its streets are paved with the living stones of love and justice. Racism and hatred have no place in God’s Kingdom, and we will grant them no home in our city.

The Right Rev. Mariann Edgar Budde
Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington
The Very Rev. Randolph Marshall Hollerith
Dean of Washington National Cathedral
 
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TheIndianGirl said:
The racist and religious overtones surrounding the effort to discredit the presidential election were on ugly display in downtown Washington on Saturday night, just blocks from the White House. After a pro-Trump rally that aimed to overturn the will of the people in the presidential election, demonstrators and members of the Proud Boys ripped down Black Lives Matter banners outside two historically Black congregations, Asbury United Methodist Church and Metropolitan AME Church. In a chilling scene, one was set on fire as crowds chanted profanities. We reject the version of Christianity that seeks to provide a mantle of spiritual authority to the poison of White nationalism.
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It is quite clear that those who have put out this statement have nothing but hatred for Trump and for conservatives, for truth, and for righteousness.

Massive voter fraud is DEFINITELY NOT "the will of the people", nor is protesting against a fraudulent election an attempt to "discredit the presidential election". It already discredited itself with the hundreds of thousands -- possibly millions -- of fraudulent ballots. And the Supreme Court discredited itself by refusing to address election theft in 2020.

There is nothing wrong in attempting to expose fraud. Proud Boys have all kinds of ethnic groups, so it is a BLATANT LIE to talk about "White nationalism". These are all incendiary remarks which are designed to increase racial tensions so that BLM can carry on with its domestic terrorism. No one condemned the "ugly display" of anarchy and chaos when BLM and Antifa were on a rampage. Proud Boys should be commended for ripping down BLM banners.

These church officials are probably racist Communists pretending to be Christians. For them Black Racism is fine but White racism is not. Total hypocrisy.
 
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TheIndianGirl said:
The Washington National Cathedral posted a statement on Facebook today, which my church liked and shared. Here is the statement. Any thoughts? Do you think churches should be making these types of statements?

From Dean Randy Hollerith and Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde:

The racist and religious overtones surrounding the effort to discredit the presidential election were on ugly display in downtown Washington on Saturday night, just blocks from the White House.
After a pro-Trump rally that aimed to overturn the will of the people in the presidential election, demonstrators and members of the Proud Boys ripped down Black Lives Matter banners outside two historically Black congregations, Asbury United Methodist Church and Metropolitan AME Church. In a chilling scene, one was set on fire as crowds chanted profanities.
We reject the version of Christianity that seeks to provide a mantle of spiritual authority to the poison of White nationalism. Religious leaders who bless these rallies, or lend their voice to the effort to subvert democracy, make a mockery of our faith. What we are witnessing is nothing less than idolatry--the worship of someone other than God as though he were God.
The blatant racism of this lost cause is alarming. The senior pastor of Asbury United Methodist Church was right to call the burning of her church’s banner a new version of cross burnings.
White hoods have given way to black-and-gold militarism. Such hatred grieves the very heart of God, and we cannot turn a blind eye to such displays of white supremacy.
We believe that Black Lives Matter because Black lives matter to God. The Proud Boys and their hatred are not welcome here.
For us at Washington National Cathedral and throughout the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, this is the season of Advent, in which we wait in expectation for the birth of Jesus, the Prince of Peace. This we know: God’s Kingdom is built with open hearts, not clenched fists. Its streets are paved with the living stones of love and justice. Racism and hatred have no place in God’s Kingdom, and we will grant them no home in our city.

The Right Rev. Mariann Edgar Budde
Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington
The Very Rev. Randolph Marshall Hollerith
Dean of Washington National Cathedral
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the state of Christianity in 2020. sad.
 
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kaylagrl

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TheIndianGirl said:
The Washington National Cathedral posted a statement on Facebook today, which my church liked and shared. Here is the statement. Any thoughts? Do you think churches should be making these types of statements?

From Dean Randy Hollerith and Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde:

The racist and religious overtones surrounding the effort to discredit the presidential election were on ugly display in downtown Washington on Saturday night, just blocks from the White House.
After a pro-Trump rally that aimed to overturn the will of the people in the presidential election, demonstrators and members of the Proud Boys ripped down Black Lives Matter banners outside two historically Black congregations, Asbury United Methodist Church and Metropolitan AME Church. In a chilling scene, one was set on fire as crowds chanted profanities.
We reject the version of Christianity that seeks to provide a mantle of spiritual authority to the poison of White nationalism. Religious leaders who bless these rallies, or lend their voice to the effort to subvert democracy, make a mockery of our faith. What we are witnessing is nothing less than idolatry--the worship of someone other than God as though he were God.
The blatant racism of this lost cause is alarming. The senior pastor of Asbury United Methodist Church was right to call the burning of her church’s banner a new version of cross burnings.
White hoods have given way to black-and-gold militarism. Such hatred grieves the very heart of God, and we cannot turn a blind eye to such displays of white supremacy.
We believe that Black Lives Matter because Black lives matter to God. The Proud Boys and their hatred are not welcome here.
For us at Washington National Cathedral and throughout the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, this is the season of Advent, in which we wait in expectation for the birth of Jesus, the Prince of Peace. This we know: God’s Kingdom is built with open hearts, not clenched fists. Its streets are paved with the living stones of love and justice. Racism and hatred have no place in God’s Kingdom, and we will grant them no home in our city.

The Right Rev. Mariann Edgar Budde
Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington
The Very Rev. Randolph Marshall Hollerith
Dean of Washington National Cathedral
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Umm we all know that these churches are liberal in just about every way. They are making a political statement, not a Biblical one. And hey, if that's your POV feel free to attend a liberal church like that. Free country. But don't try to make yourself (this church) look righteous because you aren't. Googled them before and they support gay rights, a womans choice, on and on. So if your church thinks this is "likeable" they need to do some research. BLM is a farce. They are Marxists, by their own admission and the founders are lesbians. If you go to their site they talk about getting rid of the nuclear family, and their support of transgenders. If your church supports this POV it's past time for you to find a new church, fast.
 
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gb9 said:
the state of Christianity in 2020. sad.
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What's sad is that people don't research before they jump on the bandwagon. Had FB fights, not on my part but theirs, with Christian friends (so called) who told me I was basically racist because I didn't support BLM. Deceiving spirits.
 
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If I was African-American, I guess I would be upset by Proud Boys since they also wave Confederate flags. I didn't watch the videos but if the Proud Boys are saying racist things, that should be condemned. If the church just limited their statement to the tearing down/burning of flags and racist comments, without commenting on the election, democracy, etc., that would be ok. To be fair, the church should have also condemned BLM/Antifa violence earlier. However, if they just focus on the actions of one side and turn a blind eye to the other, it makes the church politically biased.
 
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TheIndianGirl said:
However, if they just focus on the actions of one side and turn a blind eye to the other, it makes the church politically biased.
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And that is the reality. While BLM and Antifa destroyed cities (and continue to do so), these liberal churches stood by and applauded. Now that non-racist Proud Boys (which has black members) decided to push back, there is a big hue and cry. TOTAL LEFTIST HYPOCRISY. As usual.
 
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TheIndianGirl said:
If I was African-American, I guess I would be upset by Proud Boys since they also wave Confederate flags. I didn't watch the videos but if the Proud Boys are saying racist things, that should be condemned. If the church just limited their statement to the tearing down/burning of flags and racist comments, without commenting on the election, democracy, etc., that would be ok. To be fair, the church should have also condemned BLM/Antifa violence earlier. However, if they just focus on the actions of one side and turn a blind eye to the other, it makes the church politically biased.
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I don't really know anything about the proud boys. I'm against racism no matter which side takes part. But it's a pity that it's used as a political football. No helping anyone at all.
 
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BLM is a hate group. Proud Boys is also a hate group. Antifa is also a hate group. I am sure that there is a way to cut off the funding to both.
 
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kaylagrl

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BLM is a hate group. Proud Boys is also a hate group. Antifa is also a hate group. I am sure that there is a way to cut off the funding to both.
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Proud boys is a hate group? I've never heard that.
 
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Proud boys is a hate group? I've never heard that.
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I have..........from BLM and Antifa.

The Proud Boys which has been branded as a White Nationalist (read that as racist) group by the left is:

Not a "White" organization. Nothing in any of their documents (that I'm aware of) references race in any way and their rolls are open to persons of all races.

Labeled as a "Hate Group" because they are staunchly pro-American and unapologetically maintain an America first stance which by default means the are against illegal immigration.
 
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A BLM flag is to black people what a Soviet flag is to the working class. It indicates Left "advocacy" for these groups, but is isn't representative of them.

It's foolish to expect an Episcopal minister will make this distinction.
 
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TheIndianGirl said:
Do you think churches should be making these types of statements?
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If 501(c)(3) organization they are prohibited from engaging in political activism or else at risk of losing their tax-exempt status.

kaylagrl said:
They are making a political statement, not a Biblical one
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The banners or the facebook post? :unsure:
 
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UnoiAmarah said:
If 501(c)(3) organization they are prohibited from engaging in political activism or else at risk of losing their tax-exempt status.



The banners or the facebook post? :unsure:
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Bishop and the dean...
 
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TheIndianGirl said:
The Washington National Cathedral posted a statement on Facebook today, which my church liked and shared. Here is the statement. Any thoughts? Do you think churches should be making these types of statements?

From Dean Randy Hollerith and Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde:

The racist and religious overtones surrounding the effort to discredit the presidential election were on ugly display in downtown Washington on Saturday night, just blocks from the White House.
After a pro-Trump rally that aimed to overturn the will of the people in the presidential election, demonstrators and members of the Proud Boys ripped down Black Lives Matter banners outside two historically Black congregations, Asbury United Methodist Church and Metropolitan AME Church. In a chilling scene, one was set on fire as crowds chanted profanities.
We reject the version of Christianity that seeks to provide a mantle of spiritual authority to the poison of White nationalism. Religious leaders who bless these rallies, or lend their voice to the effort to subvert democracy, make a mockery of our faith. What we are witnessing is nothing less than idolatry--the worship of someone other than God as though he were God.
The blatant racism of this lost cause is alarming. The senior pastor of Asbury United Methodist Church was right to call the burning of her church’s banner a new version of cross burnings.
White hoods have given way to black-and-gold militarism. Such hatred grieves the very heart of God, and we cannot turn a blind eye to such displays of white supremacy.
We believe that Black Lives Matter because Black lives matter to God. The Proud Boys and their hatred are not welcome here.
For us at Washington National Cathedral and throughout the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, this is the season of Advent, in which we wait in expectation for the birth of Jesus, the Prince of Peace. This we know: God’s Kingdom is built with open hearts, not clenched fists. Its streets are paved with the living stones of love and justice. Racism and hatred have no place in God’s Kingdom, and we will grant them no home in our city.

The Right Rev. Mariann Edgar Budde
Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington
The Very Rev. Randolph Marshall Hollerith
Dean of Washington National Cathedral
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More importantly, babies lives matter. If that was taken seriously, there would be many more black people because the greatest number of babies murdered in the womb are black.
 
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