Sins cannot be charged!

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Grandpa said:
John 3:18

How can this be if all sins have been atoned?

Romans 8:1-2 Describes the people that the atonement is applied to.


All you have to do is reconcile these scriptures together and you see what "the whole world" really means 1 John 2:2. It doesn't mean that everyone is in Christ. The "sins of the whole world" must mean sins of believers in Christ, past, present and future.
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it seems to me that it's simply a matter of whether that all-sufficient blood is applied or not. the sacrifice is made, but if it isn't sprinkled on the mercy seat or painted on the doorpost, does it accomplish the sanctification for which it was intended?

he must be lifted up just as the brazen serpent in the wilderness. but what happens to the person, bitten, who refuses to look?
does their lack of belief make the pole disappear? i don't think so; it still stands. He held out His hands all day, but they would not turn - still, His hands were held out.
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
How so? I defined it in proper context and then said it is those by faith in Jesus who will be saved.
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True, but then you are not a Calvinist or a person with that understanding if I am not mistaken.
 
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Grandpa said:
All you have to do is reconcile these scriptures together and you see what "the whole world" really means 1 John 2:2. It doesn't mean that everyone is in Christ. The "sins of the whole world" must mean sins of believers in Christ, past, present and future.
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but 1 John 2:2 says "not only ours" ((believers)) "but also the whole world" ((non-believers))

how do i make it say "not only ours" ((believers)) "but also the whole world" ((also believers)) ??


someone may be willing to die for a good man. but God showed His love for us in that He died for His enemies.
yes, He lay down His life for His friends. He said to Judas, with Satan inside him, "friend, why have you come"

i think if i knew why He calls Satan/Judas "friend" i'd know what it means, to love your enemy & do good to those that persecute you
 
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Those Christ died for their sins will not be charged to them, not one of them even unbeiief. All for whom He died there's a promise that God will be merciful to all their unrighteousness Heb 8:12


For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

That covers it! This is through Jesus the mediator of the New Covenant in His Blood. Heb 8:6

But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Matt 26:28

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.18
 
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ewq1938 said:
No, they won't be imputed if we repent and the sin is forgiven.

1Jn_1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

It would be unwise to refuse to repent of sins and assume they will just disappear on their own.
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The sins of them for whom Christ died are not charged to them, thats blessing of non imputation. Sure we can confess them, but nevertheless God doesnt impute them to their account.
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
How so? I defined it in proper context and then said it is those by faith in Jesus who will be saved.
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What you going to do with the fact that God doesnt charge sin upon certain people ?
 
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throughfaith said:
This is the negative inference fallacy. Paul says in Galations that :
20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself FOR ME .

Does this mean Jesus only died for Paul ?

No Jesus Died for the whole world . Calvinisn and even Some Arminians are confused about what saves .
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You miss the point. Sins Christ died for, had been charged to Him, so those sins cant be charged to them He died for and paid the sin debt.
 
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posthuman said:
i think you should deal with 1 John 2:2 before you keep going around making this statement.
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Those people are saved and cannot have sin charged to them. And you know that cant apply to everyone without exception. Thats the saved world.
 
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brightfame52 said:
1 Cor 15:3-4

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

If Christ died for our sins, for He didn't die for everyone's sins, but if we're blessed to be of those He did die for, namely His Sheep or Church, then one thing is for certain, our sins cannot and will not be charged to us.

Rom 4:8

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 1
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To under stand it more please read John 11:1-46
 
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brightfame52 said:
You miss the point. Sins Christ died for, had been charged to Him, so those sins cant be charged to them He died for and paid the sin debt.
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Yes , everyone's sins are paid for . Not just the ' frozen chosen ' of Augustines philosophy.
 
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SophieT said:
wrong

Whosoever will means whosoever will.
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No thats right. Them Christ died for, God will not charge them with sin. That does not apply to all without exception, sorry !
 
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brightfame52 said:
Those people are saved and cannot have sin charged to them. And you know that cant apply to everyone without exception. Thats the saved world.
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No you have bought into the unbiblical idea of Calvinism that thinks the death of Jesus saved the elect .
 
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brightfame52 said:
No thats right. Them Christ died for, God will not charge them with sin. That does not apply to all without exception, sorry !
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Yes it does . No one will be in hell paying for sins . Jesus paid for all sins .
 
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throughfaith said:
Yes it does . No one will be in hell paying for sins . Jesus paid for all sins .
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No He didnt, some people will die in their sins Jn 8:24 and suffer the wrath of God for Eph 5:6


Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
 
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brightfame52 said:
No He didnt, some people will die in their sins Jn 8:24 and suffer the wrath of God for Eph 5:6


Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
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John 8 is before Jesus paid for the sins of the world . Context, context, context. The wrath comes on those that refuse to believe the truth so as to be saved .
 
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brightfame52 said:
Those people are saved and cannot have sin charged to them. And you know that cant apply to everyone without exception. Thats the saved world.
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i think you are not dealing honestly with the scriptures, friend.
what do they actually say?

the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died; ​
and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again. ​
(2 Corinthians 5:14-15)​
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it doesn't say "if One died for some, then some died, and He died for some.."
it says "for all"

if what you say is correct, why does scripture say "for all" ?
any doctrine that is correct can be justified and will not be contradicted by the Word. so show me how your doctrine is reconciled with these things, can you?

or just say you can't. i'm fine with that too
 
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brightfame52 said:
No He didnt, some people will die in their sins Jn 8:24 and suffer the wrath of God for Eph 5:6


Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
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The wrath of God is on the Christ rejectors ....who do those things . Thats how they are chaaracterised by those deeds.
 
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That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

All people
 
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