Science and the bible

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HillsboroMom

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I just hate it when the people in science, that I admire the most, brush away
the testimony of nature as if it's irrelevant and has no bearing upon the
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Right there with you!

I don't understand why so many people -- both faithful people and scientists -- seem to think it's an either/or thing. There are literally millions of people who see no conflict in accepting science and believing in God. Sure, there are some scientists who are atheists, and there are some religious folk who reject science. But like you say, for me, the more I study science and the beauty of this natural world, the more I find Divinity.
 
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UnoiAmarah said:
Which earth? The earth in Genesis 1:1 or the second earth in Genesis 1:2. :cool:
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It is the same one. There is no second earth in Genesis. Verse 2 is a description of the state the earth was in when God first created it out of nothing before He "spruced it up a bit" with the things He created during the next six days.
 
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Blik said:
On the first day there were no sources of light.

In the ancient Hebrew language, on the first day God created "owr', or enlightenment and on the fourth day God created "maor" or the sun.
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So - God divided the 'enlightenment' from the darkness - and called it 'Day' - and the darkness 'Night'?

How can darkness be divided from darkness?

Were the evening and morning both in darkness?

What determining factor turned evening into morning?
 
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Blik said:
In the ancient Hebrew language, on the first day God created "owr', or enlightenment ...
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You have misinterpreted the meaning of the word - it does not mean 'enlightenment' in the sense of "understanding of knowledge" - that particular 'sense' is not present in the meaning of the word.

The word 'enlightenment' has an "inward passive" meaning; the word you refer to in the Hebrew has an "outward active" meaning.

In the context of Genesis 1, it simply means 'light' - the kind that God 'saw' - and divided from the darkness - in verse 4.
 
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UnoiAmarah said:
So you sure about that? Mind answering a couple questions, just to make sure your are not AI....

1. What is the first number you see to the left -------> 2 5 8 Do you 2, or do you see 258 ?

2. Is seven a number or a word?

Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness. Luke 11:35
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What has all this ???? have to do with the Hebrew words "owr", "maor, and "choshek"? Can you explain how the Lord gave light in the first day when it was the fourth day that the Lord created the sun? Do these numbers you are posting explain that?
 
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GaryA said:
So - God divided the 'enlightenment' from the darkness - and called it 'Day' - and the darkness 'Night'?

How can darkness be divided from darkness?

Were the evening and morning both in darkness?

What determining factor turned evening into morning?
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I am just telling what scripture says. I think it points to that the Lord lives in a different dimension than we do. God uses things of our physical world to help explain the world of the Lord, but I think the kingdom of God is has many things we don't comprehend. The Lord tells us we see darkly.
 
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Blik said:
Can you explain how the Lord gave light in the first day when it was the fourth day that the Lord created the sun?
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Jesus is the Light and life of man... the Light of the world.
 
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Jesus is the Light and life of man... the Light of the world.
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In the Hebrew owr is translated as light, owr meaning enlightenment and all things good. You would translate the Hebrew word owr as Jesus?
 
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Blik said:
Can you explain how the Lord gave light in the first day when it was the fourth day that the Lord created the sun?
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Do you really doubt that the Lord could produce a different source of light than the sun?

Verse 3 says he did it. That is enough for me to believe He did it whether or not I understand just exactly how He did it or where the light actually came from.

The order that God created things - He did so for a reason. If you study it carefully - and simply believe what He says - you will learn a great deal about the true nature of the 'reality' you live in.
 
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Blik said:
Can you explain how the Lord gave light in the first day when it was the fourth day that the Lord created the sun?
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At first, I didn't quite understand the difference between the first day and the fourth day which you mean.
now I understand what you mean.
I don't know if you have ever used 3D software. There are lights in it, but in the empty scene without objects, you can't imagine the effect of lights.
But I think it's different from when God created the world.
Gen1：2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
I didn't really know what earth was without form,but we knew what was water.You knew, when the lights came into the water, it gets dark.
Different levels of brightness in the water, showing as we knew the evening and morning.
This is The first day.

The fourth day,
moon and sun,even stars.
The moon doesn't shine, it just reflects the light of the sun，even stars.
Or in a sense, we don't have these luminaries whichever sun or moon even stars, we only have light.
 
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Blik said:
Should we go by science or the bible? Here are some thoughts about this.

We know the bible is always correct, for it is inspired by the creator of us and our world, and we know that science is sometimes incorrect because we have seen them change their mind at times. However, scripture is inspired by the Lord, but it is men who put those thoughts into words that he understood at the time he wrote them down. It could be that it is not correct because his understanding was incorrect.

Also, there are times that the Lord’s ways were explained by using a current saying, like we say don’t burn your bridges. We don't mean that as literal burning a bridge. An illustration of this is to tell of God wanting us to be just by saying “an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth”. The Lord was not telling us to take out eyes, the Lord was telling us to be just.

Another misunderstanding of scripture was centuries ago when people thought the Lord told us the earth was square. This was based on the scripture telling of the “four corners of the earth”. There was a cry of outrage when science proved the earth was round.
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Science proves itself using its own methodologies, thus becoming a self-referencing truism. Scientists do make broad sweeping assumption and use rules of thumb in place of facts, too. There is no shortage of unproven "scientific facts" and long-held truths that ended up debunked.

I do think the that longer science examines the world, the more it realizes how complex and marvelous it is, and will inevitably lead people to the belief in a Supreme Intelligence of some sort. New theories on intelligent designed have actually spawned off of new science and technology in recent years.
 
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GaryA said:
Do you really doubt that the Lord could produce a different source of light than the sun?

Verse 3 says he did it. That is enough for me to believe He did it whether or not I understand just exactly how He did it or where the light actually came from.

The order that God created things - He did so for a reason. If you study it carefully - and simply believe what He says - you will learn a great deal about the true nature of the 'reality' you live in.
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Gary, that is what I have posted. The lights that the Lord spoke of in the original language were different lights--one kind of light in the first day and an entirely different kind of light on the fourth day. It doesn't take faith or beliefs to read scripture, it takes accepting scripture as it is written.

A translation of scripture is not "the way it is written".
 
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Blik said:
In the Hebrew owr is translated as light, owr meaning enlightenment and all things good. You would translate the Hebrew word owr as Jesus?
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Jesus is God, and God alone is good. At least, that is what Jesus said, and I believe Him :)
 
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-one kind of light in the first day and an entirely different kind of light on the fourth day
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Maybe when the LORD said let there be light and there was light, it might have startled the Spirit of God hearing his voice for the first time? Afterall darkness upon the face of the deep. What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light:

Or maybe it was the Son seeing the waves of his own voice as it rippled across the frozen field of invisible light that created the heaven and the earth on the first night, that became the first day when he saw the light.

However, as far as for the forth day, God made two great lights; called the Day, and the Night the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he placed the two great lights in the cloud that covers the earth like a garment, being the firmament in the heaven
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I don't understand why something so straight forward and plainly stated by scripture should have any haggling to it. In the Hebrew, God said let there be owr. Owr is all goodness, bringing in spiritual light to man, it is a word similar to shalom, it is hard to explain in English. Someone tore my translated as enlightenment apart. It is not a physical light like the sun gives off. It is not related to the moar created on the fourth day. It is an entirely separate word.
 
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Blik said:
I don't understand why something so straight forward and plainly stated by scripture should have any haggling to it. In the Hebrew, God said let there be owr. Owr is all goodness, bringing in spiritual light to man, it is a word similar to shalom, it is hard to explain in English. Someone tore my translated as enlightenment apart. It is not a physical light like the sun gives off. It is not related to the moar created on the fourth day. It is an entirely separate word.
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What we say is no different, but we have different knowledge and different ways of understanding
 
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soberxp said:
What we say is no different, but we have different knowledge and different ways of understanding
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I could understand that, but I am not speaking of understanding or interpreting scripture. My post are just quoting scripture.

To differ then, would have to be that you do not believe the original scripture, you believe the translation of the original. Is that what you are saying?
 
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