Why The Fruit Inspectors Get It Wrong - by Pastor Ralph Arnold

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Blackpowderduelist

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eternally-gratefull said:
I was speaking of this comment you made
I think his sins are well documented and agree

Nor does it mean; as Calvin used it, that they should inspect your homes and interrogate your family and neighbors to make sure you don't say or do anything that disagrees with his mandates.

I have never seen or heard a Calvinist do this

I have seen many legalistic churches do this. But have yet to see a grace based church do this. Just saying
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Blackpowderduelist

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eternally-gratefull said:
So does proof

can you show where a calvinist entered homes to fruit inspect?

just asking
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Read about Calvin I'm Geneva, home inspections were part of his plan for a puritan state of Geneva. His elders did home inspections, study your history.
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
Read about Calvin I'm Geneva, home inspections were part of his plan for a puritan state of Geneva. His elders did home inspections, study your history.
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Calvin in Geneva.
 
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ChosenbyHim said:
Why The Fruit Inspectors Get It Wrong - by Pastor Ralph Arnold​

There are ministers, teachers and preachers out there which adhere to a false view of Lordship Salvation. It is usually the Calvinistic view of Lordship salvation which falls under the P in Calvinism's T.U.L.I.P. (i.e Perseverance of the Saints) And they will wrest Scriptures like Matthew 7:20-23, to try to teach that they can tell whose saved and who is lost, by observing how a person is living. But what they fail to realize is that in that passage in Matthew 7, Jesus said that a good tree CANNOT bring forth evil fruit, NEITHER CAN a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. (See vs. 18). If a Good Tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, that means it cannot produce or bring forth any bad fruit at all. Not even one bad fruit can come from a good tree, according Jesus' very own words in that passage. Now the question to consider is, Christian, after your salvation, have you ever did a bad deed? Have you ever sinned and had a bad thought??? If the answer is Yes, and obviously it is, and it is YES for ALL Christians, then that means we did bring forth a bad fruit. How could that be though?

If a Good Tree cannot even bring forth one bad fruit? The Answer is simply this. When Jesus Christ gave that remarkable illustration of the two trees, He was speaking about Old Nature (Bad Tree) and the New Nature (Good Tree). Our Old Sin Nature CANNOT even bring forth one good fruit. And Our New Nature CANNOT even bring forth one bad fruit. The Old Man (Bad and Corrupt Root) can only produce bad and evil fruit. And our New Man (Good Root) can only produce Good and wholesome fruit. Christians certainly can produce good fruit in their lives. And they should. But they can only produce this good fruit if they are walking in the Spirit and Yielding unto Him. And at the same time, a Christian can also produce bad and rotten fruit. Although they should not produce bad fruit, the truth is, all Christians have produced some level of bad fruit in their lives. and this is because all Christians at times will yield to the flesh and walk after the flesh (Old Man). And whensoever a Christian does walk after the flesh, they will produce the rotten fruit (bad works) of the flesh. please see Galatians 5.

For a born again Christian to bear good fruit, that Christian must abide in Christ and His Holy Scriptures. This is the only way that we can bear fruit. If we want to bear and produce any good fruit in our lives, if we want to live a changed, new and transformed life, we must abide in the Vine, which is Christ and His holy word. And if we as Christians do not abide in Christ, and do not abide in His words, and if we walk after the flesh (the bad tree), then any one of us can go back to our old life of sin. We could even get to a point where we deny the faith and turn from it. Yet though, we will still be saved. A Christian could even become a professing atheist. A born again Atheist????? Yes, it can actually get that bad. And yet, he would still be saved. Why? because the New Nature (Second Birth) is still in him. Just because a Christian lives and walks after the flesh (his first birth), that does not do away with his New Nature (Second Birth).


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Complete falsehood and caricature.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Blackpowderduelist said:
Read about Calvin I'm Geneva, home inspections were part of his plan for a puritan state of Geneva. His elders did home inspections, study your history.
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I could care less about calvin, you said they. Can you show me anyone or not?
if not just say so, admit you I spoke and let’s move on
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I could care less about calvin, you said they. Can you show me anyone or not?
if not just say so, admit you I spoke and let’s move on
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It's not part of their practice now, but it certainly was. Even in America see Salem Mass.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Blackpowderduelist said:
It's not part of their practice now, but it certainly was. Even in America see Salem Mass.
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So for this reason we should attack people today who do
Not do it?
I am not getting your reasoning for attacking people Today for sins of the past
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
So for this reason we should attack people today who do
Not do it?
I am not getting your reasoning for attacking people Today for sins of the past
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I'm not for attacking anyone, ever.
I am for turning off the false prophets, and false teachers, and limiting the access that toxic people have to your life. I'm also for being aware of those folks that come to church and spin malcontent, and division, pastors may even at some point need to ask them to no longer attend that church.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Blackpowderduelist said:
I'm not for attacking anyone, ever.
I am for turning off the false prophets, and false teachers, and limiting the access that toxic people have to your life. I'm also for being aware of those folks that come to church and spin malcontent, and division, pastors may even at some point need to ask them to no longer attend that church.
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So here you go again, your against these people who DO IT.

so again I ask, can you show me. Also ist who does it?

I know many legalists who do it, but grace based believers?

sorry bro can’t find it
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
So here you go again, your against these people who DO IT.

so again I ask, can you show me. Also ist who does it?

I know many legalists who do it, but grace based believers?

sorry bro can’t find it
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I have no idea what you are talking about. So I'll attempt to make myself clear. The whole fruit inspector concept is not the point of the idiom, you know a tree by it's fruit. The idea isn't to be looking for error. The idea is that you can recognize someone who means harm, as it is written the passage false prophets, by their fruit, what they produce. The results of their actions and teachings. There is a huge difference.
I don't know nor do I care who is and isn't analyzing and scrutinizing every one.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Blackpowderduelist said:
I have no idea what you are talking about. So I'll attempt to make myself clear. The whole fruit inspector concept is not the point of the idiom, you know a tree by it's fruit. The idea isn't to be looking for error. The idea is that you can recognize someone who means harm, as it is written the passage false prophets, by their fruit, what they produce. The results of their actions and teachings. There is a huge difference.
I don't know nor do I care who is and isn't analyzing and scrutinizing every one.
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You missed my point all together

you stated it was calvinism who try to come into your homes and inspect fruit. And you keep insisting it is something that happens even today

i keep asking for proof and all you can do is beat around the bush

either provide proof it is occurring today amount calvinist circles. Or continue this sharade of nonsense
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
You missed my point all together

you stated it was calvinism who try to come into your homes and inspect fruit. And you keep insisting it is something that happens even today

i keep asking for proof and all you can do is beat around the bush

either provide proof it is occurring today amount calvinist circles. Or continue this sharade of nonsense
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No I said Calvin in Geneva, and no I did not say that it goes on today. You imposed that on me. In fact I said I doesn't happen today.
Now I see where you get rapture theory.
Blackpowderduelist said:
It's not part of their practice now, but it certainly was.
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See this quote where I said it's not happening today,
At least not that I know of.
So this will be the end of any conversation between us. Have a nice life and good bye.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Blackpowderduelist said:
No I said Calvin in Geneva, and no I did not say that it goes on today. You imposed that on me. In fact I said I doesn't happen today.
Now I see where you get rapture theory.
See this quote where I said it's not happening today,
At least not that I know of.
So this will be the end of any conversation between us. Have a nice life and good bye.
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Rapture theory?

I never stated my belief in a rapture theory

then why did you even bring it up other than to take a jab at calvinists?

I have a great life, your silly attacks will be confronted whether you like it or not
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Blackpowderduelist said:
Reading comprehension.
Don't impose upon me your interpretation of what I said. This is likely how you interpret the Bible as well.
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Dude get over yourself.
again why did you even mention it?

you brought this on yourself,

I would usually apologize. But with all the hate and anger against calvinism lately, it is easy to see why I would mistake. I mean really, why even mention it unless it was a jab at calvanism?
 
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if one reads scripture, the difference is between fruit or NO fruit.
Its not actually saying the fruit is bad, rotten or gone off. Its saying you dont gather figs off thornbushes or grapes off brambles.

Thornbushes and brambles are noted for their spiky thorns!!
 
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