The Millennium: An Earthly rule by Christ and his saints

How is it that the Body of Christ is not His church? Most would agree the two are synonymous.

The Great Tribulation is persecution of Christians not Jews. Christians will need the help not anyone else. Show me where Jews are being persecuted in the passage:

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

False Christ's are warned about.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

These are Christians being delivered up not Jews. Hated because of Christ's name! This proves that Christ is talking about Christians when he says "you".

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


The gospel of the kingdom is about Christ and is delivered by Christians.


Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

"Ye" are Christians.
So, the AoD is going to affect "all the world" and Christians are the targets! Christians are persecuted and murdered for the testimony of Christ and because they carry his name.

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

"Ye" is still the same people, Christians.


Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

The elect are Christians not Jews per the context of this passage.

Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

Again, a warning about false Christs given to "you" which are Christians.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Another reference to false Christ's and the Christian elect.


Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

You=Christians and yet again another false Christ reference. There is a false Christ coming to deceive Christians and those not deceived will be delivered up, persecuted and killed.

Nothing about Jews at all because Jews are not the target of the Antichrist and tribulation.


Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


And here is the second coming. Again, nothing about Jews at all because Jews are not the target of the Antichrist and tribulation.

All that happens to Christians now. George Muller and his orphans often prayed and food would be at the door afterward, and stories like that are everywhere, just not so much in first world countries. Christians everywhere continuously suffer boycott and persecution. Sharing food and shelter is and has always been the obligation of the Christian. And, enduring to the end, well, certainly we can't expect to go to heaven if we turn our backs on God and join one of the countless demon worship societies, which members are rewarded for their devotion to the enemy. ("A Trip Into The Supernatural" on Youtube is very eye-opening).

So, really, the only diff between now and a future 7 year trib would be the ability to walk by sight instead of faith

The Tribulation is also known as Jacob's trouble, and is already prophesied in the OT under Daniel's 70th week. We gentiles are not Jacob's descendants.

Matthew 24 is all about the nation Israel, Jesus was only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel in his first coming (Matthew 15:24, Matthew 10:5-7)

Apparently you didn't read my post because the Great Tribulation is not about the Jews being persecuted. It only speaks of Christians being persecuted.

I did, I reminded you that the Great Tribulation is also known as Jacob's trouble.

You just refuse to acknowledge what Jacob means, it meant the Jews.

The Great Tribulation is persecution of Christians not Jews. Christians will need the help not anyone else. Show me where Jews are being persecuted in the passage:

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

False Christ's are warned about.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

These are Christians being delivered up not Jews. Hated because of Christ's name! This proves that Christ is talking about Christians when he says "you".

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


The gospel of the kingdom is about Christ and is delivered by Christians.


Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

"Ye" are Christians.
So, the AoD is going to affect "all the world" and Christians are the targets! Christians are persecuted and murdered for the testimony of Christ and because they carry his name.

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

"Ye" is still the same people, Christians.


Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

The elect are Christians not Jews per the context of this passage.

Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

Again, a warning about false Christs given to "you" which are Christians.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Another reference to false Christ's and the Christian elect.


Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

You=Christians and yet again another false Christ reference. There is a false Christ coming to deceive Christians and those not deceived will be delivered up, persecuted and killed.

Nothing about Jews at all because Jews are not the target of the Antichrist and tribulation.


Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


And here is the second coming. Again, nothing about Jews at all because Jews are not the target of the Antichrist and tribulation.

How about quoting a verse from the NT that says Jews are persecuted. Jacobs trouble is not the Great Tribulation Christ spoke about since he said Christians would be persecuted not Jews (those of Judaism).

The body of Christ and the ekklesia translated as 'church' is speaking of the same body. The word ekklesia/church is not a generic term, but is a specific title reserved for the body of Christ which began with the disciples and is still in progress. Nether the OT saints nor the great tribulation saints during the tribulation, as well as the nation Israel existing during the tribulation, belong to the church, but fall under a different group or dispensation. In support of this Jesus said, "I will build My church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it." 'I will build' is in the future indicative active tense, which would demonstrate that the church was not something that previously existed, but was something that was yet to to be built and is in fact sill in the process of being built.

If the OT saints prior to Christ appearing in the flesh, were apart of the church, they would also be resurrected when the Lord appears. However, they are resurrected at different phase of the first resurrection. Only those who belong to the church which began from the disciples until the resurrection takes place, will be resurrected and caught up. The OT saints of Israel will remain in the graves until they are resurrected at a later time after the church. In addition, the saints who come out of the great tribulation will not be resurrected until after the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, as described in Rev.20:4-6.

Do you understand what Jesus meant in Matthew 15:24?

We gentiles in the Body of Christ were not the subject of all he said in Matthew 24. Jesus, being God, kept the mystery of the Body of Christ hidden throughout his first coming on Earth, only to reveal it to the apostle Paul after he saved him (Ephesians 3:9)

So when you quote all that you did from Matthew 24, you have to understand it as written only to the Jews of Israel. Jesus was only talking about Jews throughout the book of Matthew.

An example of the NT verse that you required

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

they here refers to only Jews.

Wrong. Jesus was speaking to Christians, whether Jews or Gentiles. He was not speaking to members of Judaism.

This is why you cannot cite a verse saying people of Judaism are being persecuted during the Great Tribulation.

So you are saying Jesus did not mean what he said in Matthew 15:24?

lol. That has nothing to do with who are persecuted in the Great Tribulation. Allow me to ask a similar and ridiculous question: So you are saying Jesus did not mean what he said in Matthew 15:25?

I say there is no biblical support that Satan or any devils tried to convince Christ to come down from the cross.

If you agree that the Body of Christ is a mystery that was not revealed before the apostle Paul, than it cannot be synonymous with a term that is mentioned already before Paul.

Does the fact that we now see through a glass darkly mean that our current Heavenly citizenship is of a different classification than when we see all things clearly?

Of course not.

Then why can’t both terms apply to the same thing, with the one term simply referring to a DEEPER understanding of the same thing, which was later revealed?

What is happening now is that the nation Israel has fallen (Romans 11:11), so Israel has no special privilege in the eyes of God. We are saved thru the fall of Israel.

But during the Tribulation, Israel will once again be God's favored nation, and any unbelieving gentiles, if they want to be saved then, must once again bless Israel in order to be saved (John 4:22).

That is why Jesus said what he said in the parable of the sheep and the goats in Matthew 24.

So, how does that make getting saved in the “7 yr trib” harder than now?

Tribulation tends to make people look up when they’re flat on their back - makes them get on their knees because the load gets too heavy. “SUFFERING IS REDEMPTIVE”.

The idea that it’s easier to be saved now in comparative peace while forced to walk by faith than during the pain of the “7 yr trib” when everyone walks by sight makes no sense, Biblically.

I think most would agree with me, if not for the unavoidable conclusion that the whole thing, if true, makes God titally unfair - denying people evidence He is real and His Word is true and forcing them to walk by faith for the entirety of Earth’s history, only to allow the “people of the 7 year trib” to walk by sight Not my Jesus 😊

Apparently you didn't read my post because the Great Tribulation is not about the Jews being persecuted. It only speaks of Christians being persecuted.

Christ told us that Satan is the ruler of this world. That doesn't change until the 7th trump.

Joh 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince (ruler) of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

Prince here doesn't mean second in command or something like we think in modern English, it means the ruler, the first in rank or power:

G758
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archo¯n
ar'-khone
Present participle of G757; a first (in rank or power): - chief (ruler), magistrate, prince, ruler.

G758
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archo¯n
Thayer Definition:
1) a ruler, commander, chief, leader
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: present participle of G757
Citing in TDNT: 1:488, 81

According to Christ, the ruler of this world was to come after Christ left. We know from Rev 12 that after He ascended there was a war in heaven and satan was cast to the Earth just as Christ said would happen. According to Jesus Christ himself, the one reigning/ruling the world after His ascension would be satan.

Dan 4:17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.

According to this, the ruler of the known world at that time was Nebuchadnezzar by God's command. Who ultimately rules over creation? God. Does God allow others to rule this world? Yes. Satan is allowed by God to rule this world and is ruling now and will rule until the 7th trump.