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I did check your nationality before posting. Unfortunately there is no mention in your profile
of it but as a Trump supporter I assumed you were American hence the the '' Your people'' reference
which refers to the many millions of Americans that voted for Biden.

Yes Chavez is dead but I remember seeing a Trump quote where he blamed Chavez as being
one of the people who plotted to throw his election. Problem with that was the man died some
seven years earlier.
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Chavez ? Get real soon. Amidst the tidal wave of dem criminality to install a deviant fraud that’s what u latch onto? Lolz talk about clutching at straws .
(provide creditable source with context and not the flake nuzzz pablum either)

The only relevancy with Venezuela is that it is a model for the criminality that the U.S. is sliding towards x10. Plus they used the same rigged Dominion machines to ‘win’ and keep ‘winning’.
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Just a non Americans perspective here... all this whole Trump fraudulent voting / continuing battle is making us Christians look like we have no trust in God and his plans for us.
Why should addressing the evil of a major crime -- perhaps the greatest crime of the century -- be taken as having no trust in God and His plans for us? Kindly study the book of Esther and see how those who trusted in God also addressed evildoers in government.
Don’t you think if God wanted him to still be President... he would be?
The fact that Donald Trump garnered 74-75 million votes -- the largest number of any presidential election (while Biden may have only received a small fraction of the total and we will never know the true numbers) confirms that God wanted Trump to be elected. But Satan (the god of this world) ensured that a corrupt and evil criminal stole Trump's victory, and God allowed that. God does not necessarily intervene when evildoers do wicked things.
Not to mention the division it is causing? Who is in control here??
Don't you think that the ones who fomented hatred for Trump day after day for four years are the ones who caused division? Those were the same evil people who called for his impeachment -- FOR NO GOOD REASON -- from day one. And hatred comes from Satan.
Seems the me that Satan is using this whole thing to cause separation within the church.
There would be no division if every Christian chose to support the lawful president, not a fraudulent imposter.
Regardless I do not see any reason for the hostility I have seen (Everywhere not just on this site).
Because this is not just a political battle. It is intense spiritual warfare, with Satan seeking to bring free citizens into slavery, and in fact subjugate the whole world at this time.
 

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Why should addressing the evil of a major crime -- perhaps the greatest crime of the century -- be taken as having no trust in God and His plans for us? Kindly study the book of Esther and see how those who trusted in God also addressed evildoers in government.
God is not mentioned once (or at all) in the book of Esther :cool::geek:
 

Nehemiah6

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God is not mentioned once (or at all) in the book of Esther :cool::geek:
Esther would not be in Scripture if God was not in it. As Matthew Henry said with discernment: "But, though the name of God be not in it, the finger of God is, directing many minute events for the bringing about of his people’s deliverance." And John Gill added this: "...the hand and providence of God may be most clearly seen in it; in raising Esther to such grandeur, and that for the deliverance of the people of the Jews, and in counter working and bringing to nought the plots of their enemies, and in saving them..."
 

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Esther would not be in Scripture if God was not in it. As Matthew Henry said with discernment: "But, though the name of God be not in it, the finger of God is, directing many minute events for the bringing about of his people’s deliverance." And John Gill added this: "...the hand and providence of God may be most clearly seen in it; in raising Esther to such grandeur, and that for the deliverance of the people of the Jews, and in counter working and bringing to nought the plots of their enemies, and in saving them..."
2 Timothy 3:16-17KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
 
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(Fact) The US 2020 Presedential Election was pre-planned criminal fraud in Bidens favor, blatantly "Stealing" the election, Banana Republic, as Christian's we should expose the evil, not remain silent.

Democrats oppose christianity, and using the name of God in legislative prayer, "In God We Trust"?

Democrats support killing the unborn (Abortion)?

Democrats support Homosexuality in same sex marriage?

Democrats support transgender males, competing in female sports?

Democrats support pushing these evils upon children in public schools?

And you state the Christian believer should remain silent on the evils of the criminal fraud in the 2020 election, it causes division?

No silence from this guy, I will continue to expose the evils of the Democrats, with just a "Few" mentions above.

Jesus Christ Is Lord!
Absolutely not! As per my post, I do not know the whole political side... I do not live in the US. Though we have similar issues... As Christians we are called to do all things in LOVE. Do you feel this is what is happening here to push your agenda?(not your personally - I don't know you...)?
 

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Absolutely not! As per my post, I do not know the whole political side... I do not live in the US. Though we have similar issues... As Christians we are called to do all things in LOVE. Do you feel this is what is happening here to push your agenda?(not your personally - I don't know you...)?
Christian's are called to "Expose/Rebuke/Reprove" evil

The 2020 criminal fraud election is evil, killing the unborn, homosexuality in same sex marriage that the democrats support is Evil

Joe Biden and the democrats agenda is pure "Evil"

2 Peter 2:6KJV
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Ephesians 5:6-13KJV
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
 
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Why should addressing the evil of a major crime -- perhaps the greatest crime of the century -- be taken as having no trust in God and His plans for us? Kindly study the book of Esther and see how those who trusted in God also addressed evildoers in government.

The fact that Donald Trump garnered 74-75 million votes -- the largest number of any presidential election (while Biden may have only received a small fraction of the total and we will never know the true numbers) confirms that God wanted Trump to be elected. But Satan (the god of this world) ensured that a corrupt and evil criminal stole Trump's victory, and God allowed that. God does not necessarily intervene when evildoers do wicked things.

Don't you think that the ones who fomented hatred for Trump day after day for four years are the ones who caused division? Those were the same evil people who called for his impeachment -- FOR NO GOOD REASON -- from day one. And hatred comes from Satan.

There would be no division if every Christian chose to support the lawful president, not a fraudulent imposter.

Because this is not just a political battle. It is intense spiritual warfare, with Satan seeking to bring free citizens into slavery, and in fact subjugate the whole world at this time.
Thank you for your well considered response. I will go and re read Esther. Thank you.
Yup, there is definitely spiritual warfare going on... everywhere. As a Christian, I feel it more everyday.
I am not really in a position to debate electoral fraud... because frankly, I have no idea what I am talking about.
All I can say, is that whenever I ask a clarifying question regarding this topic (I have no opinion either way) I am shouted down. If other Christians have a different perspective, they are shouted down. It is causing division... What message is this sending to non Christians?I will go and read Esther before making further comment regarding God addressing evil doers.
 

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If we are truly His we no longer seek our own, we are His. His thoughts are our thoughts, his words are our words. Jesus modeled how we are to live, "I only say what I hear the Father say", and "I only do what I see the Father do".
Could this be what seems to be being "shouted down"?
 
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If we are truly His we no longer seek our own, we are His. His thoughts are our thoughts, his words are our words. Jesus modeled how we are to live, "I only say what I hear the Father say", and "I only do what I see the Father do".
Could this be what seems to be being "shouted down"?
Hmmm. I am not talking about anyone on this particular thread... but the anger and aggression I have seen regarding this topic (I will say "I only say what I hear the Father say", and "I only do what I see the Father do".) is not the God I know. As above, I will go and study some more before I comment further.
 

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We must stand for what is right, as He stood for what is right.
The world and it's price would have us be wrapped up in it although it is temporal when our Lord would have us focus on the eternal.
How are we to walk this out?
Study and take it to Him for His guidance as you have chosen.
The word "love" most often used in the NT translates to "seeking the highest good of the other person and doing what is possible to do to meet that need".
best wishes
 

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Thank you for your well considered response. I will go and re read Esther. Thank you.
Yup, there is definitely spiritual warfare going on... everywhere. As a Christian, I feel it more everyday.
I am not really in a position to debate electoral fraud... because frankly, I have no idea what I am talking about.
All I can say, is that whenever I ask a clarifying question regarding this topic (I have no opinion either way) I am shouted down. If other Christians have a different perspective, they are shouted down. It is causing division... What message is this sending to non Christians?I will go and read Esther before making further comment regarding God addressing evil doers.
Yes you entered the discussion with reprimand, and now admit you don't have a clue about the US 2020 election, I appreciate your honesty (y)

A "Few" Items Of The Criminal Democratic Fraud

1. Electronic voting machines switched votes from Trump to Biden

2. 280,000 finished ballots for Biden were shipped from New York into Pennsylvania,

3. "BIG" States changed election laws, using judges, governors, secretary of States, etc, (Bypassing The Legislature) signature verification, drop boxes, extended days, etc, in violation of their State and US Constitution, this alone gives President Trump the win

4. Republican poll watchers were sent home Nov 3rd 10:30PM counting was supposedly stopped in Atlanta Georgia, as Democratic Biden workers stayed and pulled boxes out from under a table, counting ballots multiple times, 20,000-30,000 ballots, this crime was recorded on CCTV and shown to the world,as President Trump supposedly lost this state by 11,800 votes

5. Thousands of verified dead, out of State, under age, not registered voted

6. (Georgia) 2016 election mail in balloting saw a 8.9% rejection, signature verification, improper address, etc

This election 2020 the rejection rate was .2%, allowing untold fraud ballots through because of unlawful law changes, signature verification
 
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Yes you entered the discussion with reprimand, and now admit you don't have a clue about the US 2020 election, I appreciate your honesty (y)

A "Few" Items Of The Criminal Democratic Fraud

1. Electronic voting machines switched votes from Trump to Biden

2. 280,000 finished ballots for Biden were shipped from New York into Pennsylvania,

3. "BIG" States changed election laws, using judges, governors, secretary of States, etc, (Bypassing The Legislature) signature verification, drop boxes, extended days, etc, in violation of their State and US Constitution, this alone gives President Trump the win

4. Republican poll watchers were sent home Nov 3rd 10:30PM counting was supposedly stopped in Atlanta Georgia, as Democratic Biden workers stayed and pulled boxes out from under a table, counting ballots multiple times, 20,000-30,000 ballots, this crime was recorded on CCTV and shown to the world,as President Trump supposedly lost this state by 11,800 votes

5. Thousands of verified dead, out of State, under age, not registered voted

6. (Georgia) 2016 election mail in balloting saw a 8.9% rejection, signature verification, improper address, etc

This election 2020 the rejection rate was .2%, allowing untold fraud ballots through because of unlawful law changes, signature verification
I actually said that I had no idea about US politics right from the get go. And I have no interest in the supposed electoral fraud. My issue is how it is being addressed by Christians and their anger and hostility around it... and my fear that it is causing division within the church body, and how it is perceived by non Christians. Do you feel if another Christian brother or sister voted for Biden then they are Christian? I am off to prayerfully study God's word and direction on how we as Christians can better address our opposition to government. Because so far I have been appalled by what I have seen in our treatment to reach other regarding this issue (not on this page).
 

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Truth divides.
The wheat and the tares are allowed to grow together until harvest.
 

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From my experience our friend Tanakh tends toward the negative.
British "subjects" don't always grasp American citizenship.
I hope and wish to believe no harm is meant.
From the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.
This whole world is the battleground between good and evil, right and wrong, His Kingdom of Light and the adversaries of darkness. Many have not the eyes to see and ears to hear and look only on the temporal.
best wishes, all
I would take issue about my tending towards the negative. But anyway I see nothing positive about storming your Capital and ending up with the deaths of five people because some fanatics didn't like the election result. Here we have had a long and bitter dispute about leaving the EU which included numerous pro EU groups camping and protesting outside Parliament for two years but no deaths reported thank God. Even now there are still serious divisions regarding the 2016 referendum result and the Government's handling of the Corvid 19 crisis.

The battleground is spiritual and in saying that as I have said before its God who is in control
so any outcome whether social or political he has allowed. That's not saying that its necessarily a good outcome from a temporal point of view but God looks towards his end plan not at ours.
 
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Truth divides.
The wheat and the tares are allowed to grow together until harvest.
I love this parable... but can you please explain what you mean by the truth divides? There are many Christians proclaiming to be christians with their mouths, yet God will say I do not know you!

Do you think the issue of Trump is a salvation issue?? Or our response to it?

Sorry I don't quite understand your point here.
 

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I would take issue about my tending towards the negative. But anyway I see nothing positive about storming your Capital and ending up with the deaths of five people because some fanatics didn't like the election result.
This remark reveals your profound ignorance about what has really happened. So here is a very well written article that lays it all out in detail:

Anonymous rant by “Eyes Wide Open!”

PART I

Obama is like a case of herpes! You don’t know where it came from, it screws up every aspect of your life, it pops up at the most inopportune times and places and it just won’t go away. In other words, what was supposed to have an expiration date, has become a permanent, pain in the a**!

Dear Mr. Traitor please go away! You were allowed 8 years to destroy our way of life, however, your time expired in 2016 and you have never stopped interfering with the transition of power.

The destruction of Trump’s legacy and the interference by Obama who trashed the country and never went away, continues. Everything that the American people had to endure that was negative in the last decade can be laid at one door. That door is labeled “The totalitarian regime of Barrack Hussein Obama!”

The weasel that moved down the street from the White House at the end of his reign of terror in 2016, did even more to ruin the lives and relationships of America’s people in the last four years and he has never stopped trying to incite us to violence and civil war.
Since President Trump took office in 2016, he has been the most profoundly victimized, blatantly “censored” and unendingly deprived of his civil rights under the constitution of the United States of any citizen in the history of this country.


President Trump has been denied his rightful title of President in 2021, deprived of respect, stabbed in the back by treasonous leaks, and betrayed by members of his staff and his cabinet. He was plotted against by his Vice President, Mike Pence, his Deputy director of the FBI, Rod Rosenstein, and the Republican Speaker of the house, Paul Ryan, from the very beginning. He was also “endlessly” screwed over by his FBI, his Justice Department, members of his Party and by members of his intelligence agencies.

President Trump was verbally abused, physically attacked, threatened with death, poisoned, given Covid at the debate, harassed nonstop, defamed, slandered, parodied and inundated with hate speech that is so profoundly evil against him and his family that it can never be forgotten!

Moreover, President Trump and his wife and children and staff were shot at by a missile while travelling on Air Force One to a diplomatic meeting with President Putin. When he returned, he was accused of treason for doing the same thing that every President in the 21st century including Obama has done by visiting Russia for diplomatic reasons.

While President Trump was in Russia his Deputy Director of the FBI Rod Rosenstein, held a News Conference accusing Russia of espionage even though those Russians had pled not guilty and demanded the evidence against them which could not be produced by the Justice department or the special council. Rosenstein’s attempt to create an international scandal at the expense of national security should have landed him in jail.

President Trump was accused of crimes that he did not commit and of inciting riots that he had nothing to do with. When his Family and his staff were actually sent ricin in the mail, nothing or very little was said in the news about it.

President Trump was accused of treason and impeached for simply doing his job. Mueller, the Democrats and the FBI wasted four years and millions of taxpayer dollars harassing the President, without any evidence! Moreover, they got away with it without any adverse consequences for their crimes against the President and the people of America.

The FBI covered up all of the exculpatory evidence that they had which proved Trump’s innocence, in both the “Russia hoax” and the coverup of Biden’s crimes against the country through the “distraction” of the Trump Impeachment hoax.
 

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PART II

The MSM lied about every part of this criminal conspiracy right through the theft of the 2020 election. The Tech giants and the MSM used the most profound collaboration of censorship that has ever been endured by one human being just to steal the 2020 election and keep Biden’s crimes hidden from the voters until the “theft was completed!

Moreover, Trump’s supporters, members of his staff and his party were threatened, mass murdered at concerts, killed and missing, burned out of their homes, viciously attacked, targeted by weather weapons, cars destroyed because of Trump Bumper stickers, Campaign headquarters of party candidates vandalized, and its members shot at, wounded, and almost murdered at baseball games.

Republicans and their Families were also attacked while traveling by train to a retreat that caused it to derail and injure party members. There was also the case of the lawyers investigating Democrat voter fraud perpetrated against a Republican candidate from 2016 in Broward County Florida who were murdered and threatened with murder to shut them up.
However, the FBI and the Justice Department did little if anything to investigate any of those “authentic hate crimes!!!” They were only interested in trumped-up hate crimes, like the fake bomb that CNN said had been sent through the mail sans postage which was obviously fake.


There was the Jussie Smollett and Nascar noose fake hate crimes that were set up to terrorize and blame Trump supporters. Then there were the threats and interrogation of whistleblower witnesses to the rampant 2020 election fraud by the FBI. Rather than gathering evidence, the FBI did everything in their power to destroy evidence and intimidate witnesses.

Worst of all there was the Covid cabal set up to deprive the people of all of their tights in order to steal the election and set up a color revolution through the DNC using campaign fund contribution for Soros controlled groups from “border hoards” to BLM and Antifa.
They looted and burned America for months while people like Pelosi, Waters and Harris egged them on, protected them and bailed them out of jail. Moreover, Democrats continue to use Covid and iatrogenic medicine to commit genocide against the people of America while its despicably vile institutions of hypocrisy and corruption, awards the murders for their efforts with peace prizes and Grammy nominations.


Not once in all the time and through all of this crime has the MSM taken responsibility for fueling the hatred that they have for our President and instilling it in others through their nonstop lies, and criticism of our President, his style, his looks, his family his supporters and his policies.

Neither have they laid the blame where it belongs, on members of the Democrat party, who were the instigators and perpetrators of every one of these crimes. While calling them out for their hypocrisy and by supporting President Trump, got those who they had already victimized, fired or worse.

The Constitution inhibits the right of others to abuse anyone because of color, race, gender, family ties political affiliations or religious beliefs. Especially our President, who in all of his time in office did not deprive a single person of their constitutional rights to express their opinions within the bounds of the laws of this country. Unfortunately, the bounds of truth and decency has never played a part in anything that the “Swamp” sodden snakes of the left create!
 

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PART III

Moreover, Trump did not deny free expression to those who live in this country and benefit from the protection of its laws, even though they say that they hate America and want to overthrow it by burning the flag and waving their own.

Although President Trump was sabotaged, threatened, conspired against, and accused of being unstable, evil, racist, unfair, dishonest, ineffective, or downright crazy, he patiently and doggedly turned the country around in spite of them all.

The venomous, dishonest, disloyal, despicable, disgusting, unprecedented defiance by the FBI, Justice department and the whole cast of corrupt and nauseating characters, were absolutely pivotal in ignoring the evidence of rampant voter fraud that cost President Trump the 2020 election! Despite all of that, President Trump did not fire Rosenstein, or Wray, and others in Justice although he had the absolute right and duty to do so! Not firing every last one of them, from day one, was his biggest failing!

It was the Obama administration and Obama that had turned the country into the social justice, drug infested, gang ridden, poverty stricken, communist/fascist, speech restricted, spied upon, ransacked, over taxed, completely polluted, irradiated, chem.- trailed, drought inflicted, plague threatened, deteriorating, echo terrorized, gutted and demoralized, suicidal, war weary, vet abused, vaccine damaged, totalitarian hell hole that President Trump inherited!

Ultimately it was the Obama hold overs, and MSM shills like Clapper and Brenan and backstabbing Rinos like Pence, McConnell, Comey, Rosenstein, Wray, Haspel, Paul Ryan, Karl Rove and William Barr that conspired to overthrow the most popular President in American history! Those evil, mindless, criminally complicit creatures called Donald Trump, Hitler and his supporters Nazis.

However, Obama’s policies were worse than Hitler’s who loved his country and the German people and he was effective in turning Germany into a powerhouse of economic prosperity. What Obama did to America and the State of California and the Gulf States and the Gulf of Mexico was to help to systematically destroy them.

He also ransacked the economy, destroyed small businesses and shut down America’s Energy producers. He became an Apologist for America by blaming her people instead of the Bankers that he helped to loot the country of the people’s money in order to enriched America’s enemies and himself.

Obama used his office to legalize his right to use lies and propaganda against the American people, and he used the IRS, CIA, the FBI the NSA, Foster Care and the NIH to systematically spy on, oppress, terrorize, infect, and vaccinate with plague ridden poison, murder by drone, incarcerate, impoverish, investigate, interfere with, kidnap, enslave, traffic, separate families and put in Fema Camps every American born or naturalized citizen be they man, women or child in America.

Obama legalized the enforcement of health rationing, death panels, micro chipping, and his right to drone and murder any American whether they were on American soil or not. Obama’s tax audits, censorship and incarceration of whistle blowers and of those who criticized him, like Dinesh De Sousa are documented in films and in books. Obama’s videotaped statements, and the videotaped statements of his wife and of his country and town of origin identifies him as an imposter and ineligible to be President of the United States.

Obama has refused to produce any “credible” evidence to prove his eligibility to be President except for his skin color which he uses to play the race card in order to defy the people’s right to know if anything about him is actually true. Moreover, Obama and his policies resulted in a mass exodus of American Citizens and it led them to renounce their Country and their citizenship.

Their exodus was also accompanied by American businesses, and massive amounts of American wealth, during the Obama years. The Obama exodus was the largest one in American History! Hitler’s policies also created a mass exodus out of Germany for some of the same reasons.

Who can forget the escape of Edward Snowden from the Totalitarian America of the Obama era to the Republic of Russia, where he spilled the beans on Obama and all of his cronies? Unfortunately, it seems that they are still running around, free to screw up our country and our President’s legacy! Thanks to Edward Snowden, the world now recognizes Obama and his minions for what they are. Vladimir Putin, recently remarked that if Trump is so bad and so much like Hitler, why is everyone in the world, invading America’s borders, or breaking down Americas door and clamoring to be let in so that they can live there?

If anyone is Hitler it is the man that killed, poisoned, polluted, terrorized, embezzled, rampaged, incited, divided, and sliced his way across the heart of the American Dream for 8 long and horrible years. It was a miracle that she was rescued from mortal danger by our heroic and courageous 45th President. With Biden ensconced in Hellywood, “Hell” has once again reared its ugly head while her “Drama Queens” are now the only ones able to leave America like they have been threatening to do since 2016.

The majority of Americans sincerely and passionately wish that they would and that they would take the last of the Obama regime the MSM, and “that skinny imposter” with them. Perhaps they could go straight to Cuba since they love communism so much. There is a hotel on a nice little island just off the coast that has a guest book with their names already written in it. Bon Voyage!

https://stateofthenation.co/?p=51841
 

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Do you feel if another Christian brother or sister voted for Biden then they are Christian?
I would find it hard to believe a spirit filled born again (Christian) could vote for a person that supports killing the unborn (Abortion) and (Homosexuality) in same sex marriage.

What's your position on the two items above?