Is the mark of the beast going to be about the papacy changing the day of the Sabbath?

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No, she is not a real woman!

How can a real woman be a city that sits on seven hills? We need to be able to discern between what is literal and what is symbolic and the information regarding here is definitely symbolic. Here are some examples:

"I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides"

If she was a literal woman, why would the angel need to explain her mystery. What he is saying to John is, 'I will reveal to you who the woman figuratively represents.'

"With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries"

If you are believing that she is a literal woman, then you would be saying that all of the kings of the earth will have committed literal adultery with her and as well as all of the inhabitants.

"The woman you saw is that great city that rules over the kings of the earth"

How can a literal woman be a city?

"This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits."

"The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire."

"Come out of her, My people, so that you will not share in her sins or contract any of her plagues."

"Woe, woe to the great city, the mighty city of Babylon! For in a single hour your judgment has come.”

"Woe, woe to the great city, clothed in fine linen and purple and scarlet, adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls! For in a single hour such fabulous wealth has been destroyed!”

I believe that is enough to prove my point, that the woman, also referred to as Babylon the Great and the great prostitute and as she and her, is not referring to a literal woman, but is figurate representing that city that sits on seven hills which is pointing to the headquarters of the religious system of Rome.
It's not an either or thing but a both and. If one knows the origin of a thing what it has become and is becoming is clarified. Is Babylon a Mother? Mother of harlots? Kill Abel?
 

Ahwatukee

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Primacy of the Pope is their primary heresy. There are many other idolatries, saint worship being the most egregious. It's sad that most catholic folks just don't know what the Bible says.
I agree! Regarding idolatries, we could start with that 82ft pagan obelisk that was brought over from Hierapolis Egypt by Caligula in 37 AD. And this pagan obelisk is sitting right in the entrance to what is supposed to be (according to the RCC) the true church? By this, she is advertising who she really is, pagan! But people don't give this a second thought. She's proclaiming to be the true church and is hiding right out in plain sight as a counterfeit pagan entity. And that's just for starters. With just a cursory look at her beliefs and practices, it becomes immediately clear that she is not the church. Yet, she has over 1.2 billion followers.
 

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Is the mark of the beast going to be about the papacy changing the day of the Sabbath?

No, because the law of the sabbath has been fulfilled by Christ.

Col 2:13When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our trespasses, 14having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross! 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

16Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.
The verse you present was to support those keeping the Sabbaths and New Moons, that are Eternal, and will be in the New Heaven and Earth

Isaiah 66:22-23KJV
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
 
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A microchip under the skin is not powerful enough to contact a satellite.
Then it will be radio waves like 5G technology, or whatever it is by then, but it will still be a device stuck under the skin.
 

Ahwatukee

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It's not an either or thing but a both and. If one knows the origin of a thing what it has become and is becoming is clarified. Is Babylon a Mother? Mother of harlots? Kill Abel?
Stick to the scriptures. The information contained within Revelation, specifically chapter 17 & 18 identify who the woman is and she is definitely not a literal woman by any sense. I presented scriptures that speak of her as a city, which you continue to ignore. You have to stick to the interpretation of scripture.

Is Babylon a Mother? Mother of harlots?
Babylon is is not a literal mother, as she has already been identified as a city, which you continue to ignore. But she is figuratively the mother of all harlots, meaning that she is the crème de la crème of all pagan religious systems. The kings and inhabitants of the earth are and in the future, will be committing spiritual adultery with her, i.e. they will be partaking in her pagan practices and beliefs which stemmed from the pagan religions of Babylon. Jesus is sprinkled in with her teachings to grab the religious.

Spiritual adultery = porneuó - (figuratively) to be unfaithful to Christ, while posing as His true follower.
 

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I agree! Regarding idolatries, we could start with that 82ft pagan obelisk that was brought over from Hierapolis Egypt by Caligula in 37 AD. And this pagan obelisk is sitting right in the entrance to what is supposed to be (according to the RCC) the true church? By this, she is advertising who she really is, pagan! But people don't give this a second thought. She's proclaiming to be the true church and is hiding right out in plain sight as a counterfeit pagan entity. And that's just for starters. With just a cursory look at her beliefs and practices, it becomes immediately clear that she is not the church. Yet, she has over 1.2 billion followers.
(Jerusalem) is the whore, mystery Babylon the great.

Jerusalem's Levitical Priesthood arrayed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

Revelation 17:4KJV
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Exodus 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) Is That Great City

Revelation 17:18KJV
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Revelation 11:8KJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

(Jerusalem) is the seven hilled city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

Revelation 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

Revelation 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Matthew 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
 

Ahwatukee

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(Jerusalem) is the whore, mystery Babylon the great.

Jerusalem's Levitical Priesthood arrayed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

Revelation 17:4KJV
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Exodus 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) Is That Great City

Revelation 17:18KJV
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Revelation 11:8KJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

(Jerusalem) is the seven hilled city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

Revelation 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

Revelation 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Matthew 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
So you have God caring form the woman out in the wilderness during the last 3 1/2 years, who is Israel. And you have God destroying her in chapter 17 & 18.

You have no idea of what you are talking about and should not be teach such things.

Jerusalem does not sit on seven hills, nor was she that city that ruled over the kings of the earth.

I wish you people would stick to what the scriptures say instead of forcing square blocks through round holes!

The woman of chapter 12 is not the same woman who rides the beast of chapter 17 & 18.

The purple and scarlet is not the colors of the priesthood, but are the exact colors worn by the bishops and cardinals of the RCC.

Now I have to put you back on ignore and that because of these erroneous teachings, which is why I had you on ignore in the first palce.
 

Truth7t7

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I agree! Regarding idolatries, we could start with that 82ft pagan obelisk that was brought over from Hierapolis Egypt by Caligula in 37 AD. And this pagan obelisk is sitting right in the entrance to what is supposed to be (according to the RCC) the true church? By this, she is advertising who she really is, pagan! But people don't give this a second thought. She's proclaiming to be the true church and is hiding right out in plain sight as a counterfeit pagan entity. And that's just for starters. With just a cursory look at her beliefs and practices, it becomes immediately clear that she is not the church. Yet, she has over 1.2 billion followers.
Gods word on Jerusalem, Spiritually Sodom And Egypt

Yes The "Great City" Jerusalem Is Called Sodom And Egypt, Spiritually?

Revelation 11:8KJV

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
 

Truth7t7

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So you have God caring form the woman out in the wilderness during the last 3 1/2 years, who is Israel. And you have God destroying her in chapter 17 & 18.

You have no idea of what you are talking about and should not be teach such things.

Jerusalem does not sit on seven hills, nor was she that city that ruled over the kings of the earth.

I wish you people would stick to what the scriptures say instead of forcing square blocks through round holes!

The woman of chapter 12 is not the same woman who rides the beast of chapter 17 & 18.

The purple and scarlet is not the colors of the priesthood, but are the exact colors worn by the bishops and cardinals of the RCC.

Now I have to put you back on ignore and that because of these erroneous teachings, which is why I had you on ignore in the first palce.
1.) The woman in the wilderness Rev 12:6, Micah 7:14-17 is representative of the 144,000 remnant Jews that will be saved, sealed, and added to the Church on earth during the tribulation, and yes the Lord will feed them in the wilderness Manna from heaven, as in the days of coming out of Egypt, as the world watches (y)

Only 1/3 of Israels Jews will be saved, 2/3 will be cut off and die Zechariah 13:8-9

2.) Yes Jerusalem sits upon seven hills/mountains just as Rome (Fact)

3.) Yes the Levitical Priest wore purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones in the Ephod, are Gods words lying below? :giggle:

Exodus 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.
 

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Vicarius Filii Dei ..the substitution of the Son of God? The nerve of the papacy to give this title to the pope.

They used their authority to change God's Holy Day to the first day of the week? Who thought this was a good idea?

Saturday is God's Devine signature of Creation. It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible we can modify the Ten Commandments.

Isaiah 58:13
If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, from doing your pleasure on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy day of the LORD honorable, and shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words, B3 14 then you shall delight yourself in the LORD;

The papacy that started in Rome did not have Peter sitting in the seat. Anyone can claim Peter as the first of their own organization. It's just another trick.

The little horn on the first beast ends up being the papacy.




Correction: it should read "the sting of sin is death and the power of sin is the law."
The sting of death is sin;

and the strength of sin is the law.

“For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held;

that we should serve in newness of spirit,

and not in the oldness of the letter.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if you command a sinner to not sin , it’s going to provoke them to sin , and sin brings death because of the very first commandment of God . Before God gave the commandment to Adam and Eve they were alive .

When God gave them the commandment , “ you must not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil , for when you do you will surely die “

Satan came behind him and said , “ you will not die , the fruit will make you as gods” when they are the fruit the commandment left to
Mankind was only “ you will surely die “ because they had transgressed

Satan used the commandment meant to keep them safe from death , to put them to death .

“But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:8-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Gods law from the beginning about the fruit was always meant to keep
Man alive , then Moses law was about life and blessing and continuance of the curse if they rejected it.

Satan still uses the law against sinners the same way today . The law states clearly sinners must surely die , so if Satan can tempt us to sin , the law still condemns us by the letter we are now condemned or as Paul says “ held in death when we were under the law “

because the wages of sin is death , and the operation of sin works by the law against a person God has provided salvation for sinners through baptism into death ( that sentence of death upon all sinners )

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-4, 6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬


To be free of sin we need a law that’s for us and not against us that’s the gospel the law of the spirit of life
 

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Vicarius Filii Dei ..the substitution of the Son of God? The nerve of the papacy to give this title to the pope.

They used their authority to change God's Holy Day to the first day of the week? Who thought this was a good idea?

Saturday is God's Devine signature of Creation. It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible we can modify the Ten Commandments.

Isaiah 58:13
If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, from doing your pleasure on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy day of the LORD honorable, and shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words, B3 14 then you shall delight yourself in the LORD;

The papacy that started in Rome did not have Peter sitting in the seat. Anyone can claim Peter as the first of their own organization. It's just another trick.

The little horn on the first beast ends up being the papacy.




Nope..

That's mainly a seventh day adventist doctrine..
 
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What are the chances Babylon is this entire fallen condition? "Babylon" was the original sin city for the Jews ..but the Jews were spread to the four corners of the Earth.
 
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What are the chances Babylon is this entire fallen condition? "Babylon" was the original sin city for the Jews ..but the Jews were spread to the four corners of the Earth.
Yes. Kind of. The Saved are fallen but accept their falleness.
In the end it's the entire world who's names are not written in the lambs book of life unrepentant, hating God and the Church.
 

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Is the mark of the beast going to be about the papacy changing the day of the Sabbath?

no.
 

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No it won't. No one but the sabbath keeping cults like SDA believe such a thing. The sabbath has nothing to do with buying or selling, stores are open 24/7 from monday to sunday.
 

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No it won't. No one but the sabbath keeping cults like SDA believe such a thing. The sabbath has nothing to do with buying or selling, stores are open 24/7 from monday to sunday.
I strongly disagree that Sabbath keepers are a cult

However the Mark of The Beast isnt Sunday Observance, a false teaching by Ellen G. White, 7th Day Adventism's False Prophetess
 

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I strongly disagree that Sabbath keepers are a cult

However the Mark of The Beast isnt Sunday Observance, a false teaching by Ellen G. White, 7th Day Adventism's False Prophetess
Yeah I am sorry it came off that way, definately keep the sabbath if you feel so. Praise God
 
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Vicarius Filii Dei ..the substitution of the Son of God? The nerve of the papacy to give this title to the pope.

They used their authority to change God's Holy Day to the first day of the week? Who thought this was a good idea?

Saturday is God's Devine signature of Creation. It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible we can modify the Ten Commandments.

Isaiah 58:13
If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, from doing your pleasure on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy day of the LORD honorable, and shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words, B3 14 then you shall delight yourself in the LORD;

The papacy that started in Rome did not have Peter sitting in the seat. Anyone can claim Peter as the first of their own organization. It's just another trick.

The little horn on the first beast ends up being the papacy.




No, the mark of the beast was written about in daniel: The abomination that causeth desolation is the mark of the beast. Its not a chip, its not law, its not anything like that. Nimrod had the mark of the beast for instance. Cain had the mark of the beast as well.
The Mark of the beast is not a number either. The Mark of the beast is a mark of baptism into nature, where the unholy spirit of a tare goes through a negative metamorphosis to the point that he or she has become a witch or wizard.

Put simply, the way we are supposed to meditate on the WORD of GOD, and assimilate HIS WORD into our Spirit Being, is what they do but with unholy teachings. Only a tare can receive the mark of the beast. Only a tare can become a witch or wizard. No child of the kingdom can ever get the mark of the beast.
 

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No, the mark of the beast was written about in daniel: The abomination that causeth desolation is the mark of the beast. Its not a chip, its not law, its not anything like that. Nimrod had the mark of the beast for instance. Cain had the mark of the beast as well.
The Mark of the beast is not a number either. The Mark of the beast is a mark of baptism into nature, where the unholy spirit of a tare goes through a negative metamorphosis to the point that he or she has become a witch or wizard.

Put simply, the way we are supposed to meditate on the WORD of GOD, and assimilate HIS WORD into our Spirit Being, is what they do but with unholy teachings. Only a tare can receive the mark of the beast. Only a tare can become a witch or wizard. No child of the kingdom can ever get the mark of the beast.
According to the Lord, the abomination will be an idolatrous image that will be set up in the holy place within the temple. The mark on the other hand, will go either on the hand or forehead of the individual and without it no one will be able to buy or sell.

Cain never had the mark of the beast, as their no scripture to support this. God just put a mark upon him. The mark will be specifically for the last days. We already have the technology as the literal fulfillment of the coming mark as a means of buying and selling.

The Mark of the beast is not a number either.
"Here is a call for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and that number is 666."

Once again, scripture would disagree with you in that, it is indeed a number as you can plainly see from the verse above.

You should be teaching these things, because they are false.