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" What was written " ..yes this helps . But what about the observation questions i gave ?
matt 29
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

why have i quoted this? Because the sadducees asked whos bride is she, if 7 brothers had her, but all 7 died. As i quoted Isaiah 4:1 to you before..

4 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

This was the answer to their question.

There are 7 Angels of the 7 Churches (rev 1-3) who have led the church since the beginning. Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Apostle Peter, and Elijah... All of them will take hold of one man, Elijah, who restored all things. And his messages will break open the gates of hell - pointing to the resurrection.

Therefore, all 7 churches together, are the church.
 

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matt 29
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

why have i quoted this? Because the sadducees asked whos bride is she, if 7 brothers had her, but all 7 died. As i quoted Isaiah 4:1 to you before..

4 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

This was the answer to their question.

There are 7 Angels of the 7 Churches (rev 1-3) who have led the church since the beginning. Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Apostle Peter, and Elijah... All of them will take hold of one man, Elijah, who restored all things. And his messages will break open the gates of hell - pointing to the resurrection.

Therefore, all 7 churches together, are the church.
What about Matthew 5 ?
 

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To the 7 Angels of the churches, and their churches. None of what you have named are of the 7.
They are written to the ' body ' . There not written to the multitude in Mathew 5 . There not written to the 12 in any of the four gospel s . They are written to the Church in the sense of the Jew / gentile one body which only came into being after Acts 2 .
where do you get your teaching from ? Its strange and very random ?
 
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They are written to the ' body ' . There not written to the multitude in Mathew 5 . There not written to the 12 in any of the four gospel s . They are written to the Church in the sense of the Jew / gentile one body which only came into being after Acts 2 .
where do you get your teaching from ? Its strange and very random ?
They are written to the ' body ' . There not written to the multitude in Mathew 5 . There not written to the 12 in any of the four gospel s . They are written to the Church in the sense of the Jew / gentile one body which only came into being after Acts 2 .
where do you get your teaching from ? Its strange and very random ?
When Jesus His Pre- Eminence said: 22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Who is HE talking to?
 
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The ' Church ' as we should understand today is the ' body ' . Your confused .
The body has always been since the beginning of the fall of Man. It is you that is confused. Israel was called a bride, was she not? Do you know the woman is the body? The Man is the Spirit... Read Ephesians again.

22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.


The body did not start with Acts 2, is it not written that the gentiles were grafted in? So how did it start with them?
The body is typified in Mother Eve, who is the church. Father Adam, is the Spirit, the husband of the church. The church has been since the beginning.

Jesus His Pre-Eminence was speaking to the 7 Angels of the 7 Churches, because together they are one church. All 7 are the body. Not catholcis, nor protestants, nor any demonination of christianity, are from any of the 7 Churches. But the people that are in those churches, are to come out of her, when her husband comes for her. This is what Rev 18:4 was saying.

Coronavirus is a plague, was any church immune to it when it hit?

I heard another voice from heaven, saying come out of her my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, or in that of her plagues. Look at how the RCC was hit by Coronavirus for instance. So what of her daughters?

This voice, is the voice of Elijah, and the proof is that the Elijah have always been called a voice. Elijah John said: I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, make straight the way of the LORD. Elijah john was the forerunner for Jesus His Pre-Eminence, the 3rd Elijah that is the 7th Angel of the 7 church, is the forerunner for HIS return. It is written:

4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Why were we told to remember Moses which HE commanded HIM in Mt Horeb? let us see shall we.

Deut 18

15 The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

16 According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

17 And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.

18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?

22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.


Compare this to acts 3:19-23

19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.


This was stated after Jesus His Pre-Eminence had been crucified, and resurrected HIMSELF, and ascended. Which means it is speaking of someone else.

Who is that person?

Then look at the Samaritan woman:

16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.

17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:

18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.


What is the signifacance of this? Jesus His Pre-Eminence is talking to her as the Church. HE is pointing to the Angels of the Churches. That is why HE also preached a Parable about the good samaritan, who did not let the man die who was robbed on his way to Jericho, and that Man was ignored by priests, and by rabbis, but the good samaritan, took him in, and made sure he recovered - pointing to the restoration of all things.

The 5 husbands are the 5 Angels of the Chruches: Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua.
The 6th that is not her husband is Apostle Peter.
The Good samaritan is her husband, he is the 7th Angel of the Church.

matt 17: 11:

11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

Then the following verses are speaking of Elijah John the Baptist,

12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

Elijah, that is to come, is the one that Jesus His Pre-Eminence said would restore all things, he is also the one that was called: The 7th Angel of the 7th Churches and he is called by Jesus His Pre-Eminence, the Son of Man.

He is the restitutioner of all things which the prophets of baal threw down. Prophets of baal in this sense are preachers that were never chosen of GOD.

Therefore, the entire body, the bride, the body of Christ, has been since the beginning. And that is who GOD is speaking to, from Genesis, to Revelation.
 

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The body has always been since the beginning of the fall of Man. It is you that is confused. Israel was called a bride, was she not? Do you know the woman is the body? The Man is the Spirit... Read Ephesians again.

22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

The body did not start with Acts 2, is it not written that the gentiles were grafted in? So how did it start with them?
The body is typified in Mother Eve, who is the church. Father Adam, is the Spirit, the husband of the church. The church has been since the beginning.

Jesus His Pre-Eminence was speaking to the 7 Angels of the 7 Churches, because together they are one church. All 7 are the body. Not catholcis, nor protestants, nor any demonination of christianity, are from any of the 7 Churches. But the people that are in those churches, are to come out of her, when her husband comes for her. This is what Rev 18:4 was saying.

Coronavirus is a plague, was any church immune to it when it hit?

I heard another voice from heaven, saying come out of her my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, or in that of her plagues. Look at how the RCC was hit by Coronavirus for instance. So what of her daughters?

This voice, is the voice of Elijah, and the proof is that the Elijah have always been called a voice. Elijah John said: I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, make straight the way of the LORD. Elijah john was the forerunner for Jesus His Pre-Eminence, the 3rd Elijah that is the 7th Angel of the 7 church, is the forerunner for HIS return. It is written:

4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Why were we told to remember Moses which HE commanded HIM in Mt Horeb? let us see shall we.

Deut 18

15 The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

16 According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

17 And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.

18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?

22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Compare this to acts 3:19-23

19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

This was stated after Jesus His Pre-Eminence had been crucified, and resurrected HIMSELF, and ascended. Which means it is speaking of someone else.

Who is that person?

Then look at the Samaritan woman:

16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.

17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:

18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

What is the signifacance of this? Jesus His Pre-Eminence is talking to her as the Church. HE is pointing to the Angels of the Churches. That is why HE also preached a Parable about the good samaritan, who did not let the man die who was robbed on his way to Jericho, and that Man was ignored by priests, and by rabbis, but the good samaritan, took him in, and made sure he recovered - pointing to the restoration of all things.

The 5 husbands are the 5 Angels of the Chruches: Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua.
The 6th that is not her husband is Apostle Peter.
The Good samaritan is her husband, he is the 7th Angel of the Church.

matt 17: 11:

11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

Then the following verses are speaking of Elijah John the Baptist,

12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

Elijah, that is to come, is the one that Jesus His Pre-Eminence said would restore all things, he is also the one that was called: The 7th Angel of the 7th Churches and he is called by Jesus His Pre-Eminence, the Son of Man.

He is the restitutioner of all things which the prophets of baal threw down. Prophets of baal in this sense are preachers that were never chosen of GOD.

Therefore, the entire body, the bride, the body of Christ, has been since the beginning. And that is who GOD is speaking to, from Genesis, to Revelation.
Israel was called the ' wife ' not bride.
 

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The Wife is the body.
The body comprises Jew and Gentile . This was not heard of until its revealed in Acts . Prior to this revelation its a ' mystery ' . Eph 3
1¶For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

2If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

3How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:


Read verse 5 . 'Not made known. ' before.
 
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The body comprises Jew and Gentile . This was not heard of until its revealed in Acts . Prior to this revelation its a ' mystery ' . Eph 3
1¶For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

2If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

3How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:


Read verse 5 . 'Not made known. ' before.
This is not true. We read mutiple times throughout the OT, that Israel is called the Wife.
 

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The Wife is the body.
Verse ?

Jeremiah 3:20

“Surely as A WIFE treacherously departeth from her husband, so have ye dealt treacherously with me, O house of Israel, saith the LORD.”

Jeremiah 3:20

“Surely AS A WIFE treacherously departeth from her husband, so have ye dealt treacherously with me, O house of Israel, saith the LORD.”
 

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This is not true. We read mutiple times throughout the OT, that Israel is called the Wife.
In the New Testament, the church is depicted as Christ's bride. "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish"