'The rich young ruler ' confusion .

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John146 said:
Why didn’t the Lord just tell him to believe on the death, burial and resurrection for sins. That’s the gospel unto salvation. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. That’s exactly how Paul would and did respond.

Acts 16
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
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No that is not the gospel message. That is part of the gospel message.

The message is Jesus. He IS SALVATION.

The reason I got saved was an ENCOUNTER. Similar to Paul's encounter.

We give the sinner a person. Jesus. The message can come later.
But no matter what,God is bigger than his book.
......which in part is WHY you pauline's miss the purpose of Jesus priestly ministry on earth and the words he spake.
The king of the universe....and you guys attempt to minimize his ministry,purpose and words.
 
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How do the apostles read it, once the light of Christ is revealed to them? They say all of the scripture is testifying of Him, all the prophets are bearing Him witness, and His life is showing His Salvation.

But you don't. Because for whatever reason, it's very important to you to paint a picture of Jesus not having the gospel.
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Bingo

See, that is the thing.

The pauline's have a double gospel.

They cannot help but discredit the gospels and non pauline writings.

The discrediting is ACTUALLY HALF THEIR MESSAGE.
THE GOSPELS MUST BE CAST IN A NEGATIVE LIGHT. ALONG WITH ANYTHING NON PAULINE.

THEY need to make a new bible of paul. Just his writings.
,And stay away from smearing Jesus and peter
It is appalling what they do to those books
 
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Jesus Christ is not a man! He is not a person, but God's plan of redemption which must be discovered and understood. To enter this world one must wear a body of flesh and blood; yet we are told that flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. It takes a spiritual body to enter that kingdom and my words are spirit!
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Jesus is a man.
 
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Then we are are doomed. Have you stopped sinning? Repenting is not a physical action but a change of heart, mind.
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Show me one person in the pauline books that was a sinner and saved.

Every single person was walking holy.

The ones that did not REPENT were disfellowshipped and one was actually turned over to satan....for destruction...THAT IN THE END HE MIGHT BE SAVED.
 
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He also told these men that keeping the commandments was required for eternal life .
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Jesus said " unless your righteousness EXCEDED the righteousness of the scribes and phrases you could not enter.

Jesus is saying the law can not save.

You paulines got that so twisted.
 
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Love is still a requirement.

You believe it is not?
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I don't know of a verse that says 'love 'is the prerequisite to receiving the Holy Spirit and receiving Jesus ..But rather 'belief '. 1 cor 1.21
 
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Absolutely said:
Jesus said " unless your righteousness EXCEDED the righteousness of the scribes and phrases you could not enter.

Jesus is saying the law can not save.

You paulines got that so twisted.
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Who did Jesus say that to ? And when ? this is the point .
 
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throughfaith said:
I don't know of a verse that says 'love 'is the prerequisite to receiving the Holy Spirit and receiving Jesus ..But rather 'belief '. 1 cor 1.21
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Feel free to operate in another spirit then.

Now love is under the pauline chopping block.

See where error leads?
 
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Who did Jesus say that to ? And when ? this is the point .
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Lol

You think Jesus did not know the righteousness of the law can not save?????

Jesus wrote the bible.

But you think he misunderstood grace.
 
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throughfaith said:
Who did Jesus say that to ? And when ? this is the point .
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Absolutely said:
Feel free to operate in another spirit then.

Now love is under the pauline chopping block.

See where error leads?
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I said I don't see ' love ' as a 'prerequisite 'to receiving the Holy Spirit .
If you read Eph 1.12
12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13¶In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

'love 'is not there .
 
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Lol

You think Jesus did not know the righteousness of the law can not save?????

Jesus wrote the bible.

But you think he misunderstood grace.
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I Think Jesus knew how to answer the rich young rulers question ,don't you?
Did he answer how we would answer today ? Would Jesus want us to ,in light of Paul's epistles . Its always been by grace . But THEY had to DO what was required in the law . It wasn't optional .
 
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Absolutely said:
Love is still a requirement.

You believe it is not?
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If you take Jesus s words to Jews and apply them to your self in 2021 don't you cherry pick which verses you appropriate ?
Do you apply these verses spoken by Jesus as a command ?
Luke 17
And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed.
Matt 10 .5


These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:


Matthew 15:24

“But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Are you ISRAEL .
 
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Show me one person in the pauline books that was a sinner and saved.

Every single person was walking holy.

The ones that did not REPENT were disfellowshipped and one was actually turned over to satan....for destruction...THAT IN THE END HE MIGHT BE SAVED.
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Paul was the chief sinner.
 
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Absolutely said:
Jesus said " unless your righteousness EXCEDED the righteousness of the scribes and phrases you could not enter.

Jesus is saying the law can not save.

You paulines got that so twisted.
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We are sinners and need the righteousness of God which is through Jesus Christ. That's the only righteousness that saves.
 
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No that is not the gospel message. That is part of the gospel message.

The message is Jesus. He IS SALVATION.

The reason I got saved was an ENCOUNTER. Similar to Paul's encounter.

We give the sinner a person. Jesus. The message can come later.
But no matter what,God is bigger than his book.
......which in part is WHY you pauline's miss the purpose of Jesus priestly ministry on earth and the words he spake.
The king of the universe....and you guys attempt to minimize his ministry,purpose and words.
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1 cor 15
1¶Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel unto you, which I preached unto you ,which also you recieved, and wherein ye stand ;

2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3¶For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:


What would they ' keep in memory '?Paul reciting the entire old testament? Or what it actually says in those verses .
 
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