'The rich young ruler ' confusion .

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infinitekhanol

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Does Jesus mean what he says here ?
18¶And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

19¶And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

20Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

21¶And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.

22¶Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

23¶And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.


Using the observation method of
1) Who?
2) When?
3) Where ?
4 ) what?
5) why?

What do these verses say?
We here a lot about what these verses ' teach ' ,infer , assume , and imply . Many, many theologians and commentators teach what these verses are supposed to teach and imply . But is this done at the cost of what it actually says ?
Can Jesus really mean what he says here ?
What say you ?
It seems we now want to move from the principles of the doctrine of Christ unto perfection (Hebrew 6:1 -3). This sounds great. But this post coming from Throughfaith with this, his observation method, I wonder. Anyway, this is by the way.

Off course, Jesus meant what he says 100%. As regards the richman calling him good master and his response to it, I see it this way. Because we have the gospel and the Holy Spirit, we know that Jesus Christ is God and as God, he is equally good for him and the Father are one. Because the richman does not have this understanding, and must have seen Jesus as a man in the flesh like one of us, and Jesus knowing this answers according to the Man's understanding, for no man is good except God as it is written. We all derive our goodness from God. Even, Jesus as a "Son" for in this case, the father is greater than him.

As regards the second part of selling all he has and following Jesus, what Jesus wanted was, for the rich man to prove himself--- for himself for Jesus already knows him fully. We should not take this as peculiar to this man or to all the richmen in the world. It also applies to every one of us. We call it the test of faith. (and it comes in different forms). What the rich man failed to do was to prove the allness of God and nothingness of the material world – that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God, being in a state where he has no trust and confidence in the elements of the world but only in God, having unalloyed faith in God, a state where these elements are strictly under his control and dominion in both deprivations and abundance, knowing that with or without them he shall live for it is only God that sustains.

The starting point to prove our love for God with all our hearts, minds and body is the denial of inordinate pleasures of the flesh to curb the fleshly lusts of the heart. We must be content not only in bounty but also in adversity which is what our faith and trust in God enrich us to do - godliness with contentment. Our Lord God humbles us to exalt us and repays our present suffering with future glory here in this world and hereafter. Denying us the pleasures of life as part of this way does not mean that we cannot or it is wrong to be rich as children of God. It does mean that by the time we are exalted, we will be in a better position to maintain our relationship with our father God as we have learnt, known and are established in the truth and will no longer waiver in faith. Our experience produces tested faith, self-discipline and visible love seen in good works.

Jesus said, in Luke 18 : 29 that, there is no man that have left houses, parents, siblings, wife, children for the kingdom of God who shall not receive manifold in this present time and in the world to come everlasting life. All our needs shall be met eventually but we need to learn first the way and manner of the kingdom so that we can live wholly and peaceably in it while in the world. However, It happens that when we grow in knowledge and understanding of God, some things we used to hold dear in our hearts as needs tend to disappear from our scale of preference. We realize that they no longer matter in the scheme of things. And we start paying attention to those things that really matter. Jesus said to Martha, you worry and trouble yourself about many things but one thing is needful and Mary has chosen that path which shall not be taken away from her. When our senses are properly exercised by way of godly experience, we willingly cease to be encumbered by things that add nothing to life. This mindset becomes a passion that steadily drives and keeps us in check on the right path, not to stumble no matter what troubles us on the path until His light of glory shines upon our feet.

Time to stop.........
 

infinitekhanol

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Is Jesus not saying he needs to follow the commandments in order to inherit eternal life ?
I do not see any difference between what Jesus is saying here with what Paul taught concerning the law. Paul taught that it is impossible to achieve righteousness of God through the law. The only way to achieve righteousness is by following Jesus.

Jesus told the richman, you lack one thing, sell all you have and follow me ----- because that is the only way to have eternal life.

so, what is your point?
 

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What did the Lord have you part with when you got saved? Were you asked to sell everything? I wasn't asked to part with anything or do anything, just believe the gospel of Jesus Christ.
And for you to be perfect, you must part with the inordinate pleasures of the flesh -----lust of the flesh/the eyes and pride of life
 

infinitekhanol

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Same here in luke 10
25¶And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

26¶He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

27¶And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28¶And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Because, love is the fulfilment of the law in the first place. However, Jesus answered him thus because he knew the lawyer was only tempting him and not sincere in heart. For he cannot achieve the standard of love required through the stipulations of the law without following Jesus.
 
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What did the Lord have you part with when you got saved? Were you asked to sell everything? I wasn't asked to part with anything or do anything, just believe the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I am sure you gave up the lusts of the flesh that you once walked in.
 

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Because, love is the fulfilment of the law in the first place. However, Jesus answered him thus because he knew the lawyer was only tempting him and not sincere in heart. For he cannot achieve the standard of love required through the stipulations of the law without following Jesus.
What does Jesus say ? He answers
28¶And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
 

infinitekhanol

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What does Jesus say ? He answers
28¶And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
I do not know what you are trying to say.

The greatest of the commandments as it is written is --hear O Israel the Lord your God is one Lord. You shall love the Lord your God with all your mind, with all your heart------------ and to love your neighbour as yourself. We are also told that the whole law is fulfilled in love. and we are perfected in love. If he, the lawyer fulfils this single commandment, he has definitely fulfilled all others. The law says you will have life only when you fulfil all that is written in the law. But, the scripture proved to us that it is impossible to achieve the righteousness of God through the works of the law. so, there is another way which Jesus wanted the rich man to follow.

Jesus told the lawyer what the law says. I think he did not engage him further like the richman because of the insincerity of his heart.

I think the richman was sincere in his request for Jesus beheld him and loved him. unfortunately, he was too attached to his material possessions.
 

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I think the richman was sincere in his request for Jesus beheld him and loved him. unfortunately, he was too attached to his material possessions.
That is the main point. The rich man confidently and (self righteously) declared that he has kept the commandments from his youth up and qualified for heaven under those terms. Yet Jesus knew the man's wealth had become his idolatrous god, which kept him from believing in Jesus unto salvation. The rich man missed the point that Jesus was making, failed to place his faith in Jesus for salvation, and continued instead to trust in his riches.