Would God Have us Solve Confusion of baptisms?

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presidente

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This is a proof, that Moses did not get the height of Revelation that he was being taught. Because Jesus His Pre-Eminence had to make it clearer. Here, HE revealed not only that HE is the GOD that taught Moses, but that Moses did not get the teaching exactly right.
Moses was not wrong in these verses. Jesus revealed more. That's not a contradiction.
 
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Buried in my Soul, not this wicked world full of doctrines like Yours.
The Soul is the Spirit body. There is nothing in the soul except the Spirit Being that was programmed in the soul. Another example of infancy. The church is still drinking milk.
 
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This is the truth of the kingdom. I understand, you do not have to accept it. But if you are a child of the kingdom, the day will come when you will begin to realise the error you made. This is not gnostic, this is Revelations.
Using Books rejected by the Council gives you this power?
Did Constantine error?
 

presidente

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No church preacher in the churches in the world is my father or a church father. There are 12 father's which are the 12 Apostles, 3 Elijah and father Adam that is all.

The Spirit is not feminine. The Most Holy Spirit of GOD is not feminine.
The Bible does not specify 'three Elijahs', though that sounds like a variant of some dispensational teachings, which actually have the literal first Elijah coming back, but I've heard that allegoricalized.

Let me ask you a question:

Would you happen to think that you yourself are the third Elijah?

Do you think that you are one of the two witnesses?
 
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Moses was not wrong in these verses. Jesus revealed more. That's not a contradiction.
I didn't say it was a contradiction, i also didn't say he was wrong, i said he could not get to the height of revelations that GOD was teaching him at that time. That means he was unable to get to the necleus of the message, the hidden manna, and bring it out to teach the people. Therefore, the GOD brought it out to its perfect point, revealing that Moses did not teach the Israelites perfectly well.
 
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The Soul is the Spirit body. There is nothing in the soul except the Spirit Being that was programmed in the soul. Another example of infancy. The church is still drinking milk.
The Soul is the [truest] part of the entire Body. Everything you preach is Dyslexic!
 
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Using Books rejected by the Council gives you this power?
Did Constantine error?
What are you talking about? It is you that has given rome this seat. I have not. I do not care what any of them have said, none of them were Prophets.
 
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The Soul is the [truest] part of the entire Body. Everything you preach is Dyslexic!
The soul is the mediator between the Spirit and body. Since the Spirit Being is immortal, and the body is mortal, the two needs a middle man to keep them together. This middle man is the soul. The Soul weld the two together in a hypostatic union.


If it were not for the soul, the Spirit would not be able to be in a physical body. For the Spirit is above the laws of this earth. The Spirit can go through walls, what of the mortal body? The Soul is not the person, but the person is in the soul, that is the reason for Living soul.
 
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The Bible does not specify 'three Elijahs', though that sounds like a variant of some dispensational teachings, which actually have the literal first Elijah coming back, but I've heard that allegoricalized.

Let me ask you a question:

Would you happen to think that you yourself are the third Elijah?

Do you think that you are one of the two witnesses?
No. I am a child of the kingdom. I am not an Elijah, nor a Prophet, neither a pastor or a priest, nor bishop, nor reverand. I am not the leader of any church.

the third Elijah was revealed By Jesus His Pre-Eminence when HE spoke of the one that will restore all things. John the Baptist did not fulfil this. And the proof is that there must be the falling away first. So it is the 3rd Elijah that will restore all things.

And the first Elijah is not the third. Neither is the first Elijah the second. They are three persons, each called Elijah in the same power and authority, because the three ELYAH are defining the Most Holy Trinity. That is why each of the three were sent into the earth at the time that first.

GOD the father - Elijah of tishbe was sent
GOD the Son, Elijah John the Baptist was sent
GOD the Most Holy Spirit - The 3rd Elijah is sent.
 

presidente

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The Seraphim and Cherubim are holy angels, not fallen angels like Satan (also a spirit being). So you are merely fantasizing inaccurately. (The words Seraphim and Cherubim are already plural in Hebrew and do not need an "s" at the end.)
'Angel' means messenger. Sometimes we use that for the type of supernatural being that was often used as a messenger. I do not know if these beings deliver messages. The word for 'seraph' in Isaiah 6 is translated to refer to types of snakes/serpents in other passages in Isaiah. Isaiah may have seen some kind of winged snake creatures with six wings that cried " Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory." Is that being a messenger? I know of no case where they are called 'angels.' Cherubim may be throne guardians or transporters. In Ezekiel, they have the face of a man, the face of a lion, the face of an eagle, and the face of an ox, wings, and eyes. I know of no scripture where they are called 'angels.'

Angels be a different type of creation from these other two creatures. Then they might technically be 'angels' when delivering a message. It could be they are called 'sons of God' or 'elim' in different contexts, or there may be angelic beings who served as angels who do not fit into this (or these) category(ies). There are traditions about hierarchies of angels. I do not see how we can arrive at all of these ideas from scripture, though. A lot of this is a mystery. Since angelic type beings work behind the scenes from our perspective, we may not need all the details in this age.
 
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kaylagrl

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Yes. No Pastor in the earth today, no priest, no reverand, no bishop, no pope, none of them that are leaders of churches in the earth today, were sent, were called, were chosen to preach the Gospel. They are the church that Jesus His Pre-Eminence is not the builder of it. That doesn't mean that they are evil exactly, some are occultic, but others are children of the kingdom that are lovers of GOD. While others are those that went into ministry because they saw that as a lucrative business. But all of them are not sent by GOD to preach.
Umm humm. Well we have pastors here actually. I was in traveling ministry for 20 yrs. myself. So you're saying I wasn't called to share the Gospel with the unsaved? Because I sure didn't do it for the money.

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you.


And the Proof is in Revelation 18:4
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
That is speaking of the one world religion that will come, that is the future, though we can it lining up now. Yes, there will be churches that will be part of that, but not every church on earth today.

Now we have been dealing with a plague, coronavirus. Which church in the earth was not affected by it? Just look at how badly it ravaged the RCC. Then what of her daughters?
Utterly disagree with the RCC. Coronavirus is over hyped for political reasons. And we've had all kinds of them before and will have after. We live in a fallen world.


Jesus His Pre-Eminence preached alot about the kingdom, in Parables, so that them hearing with not understand. But the children of the kingdom were expected to understand them even as HE spoke them in Parables. Why? because to them it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom.

the Kingdom I sought and found, is the Kingdom of Heaven.
Do you believe Jesus is God? The Bible is clear about the kingdom of heaven. His followers at that time didn't understand. But we do. They thought He was speaking of an earthly kingdom, that He was to rule at that time. They didn't understand who He was. We do. It's not that complicated.
 
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'Angel' means messenger. Sometimes we use that for the type of supernatural being that was often used as a messenger. I do not know if these beings deliver messages. The word for 'seraph' in Isaiah 6 is translated to refer to types of snakes/serpents in other passages in Isaiah. Isaiah may have seen some kind of winged snake creatures with six wings that cried " Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory." Is that being a messenger? I know of no case where they are called 'angels.' Cherubim may be throne guardians or transporters. In Ezekiel, they have the face of a man, the face of a lion, the face of an eagle, and the face of an ox, wings, and eyes. I know of no scripture where they are called 'angels.'

Angels be a different type of creation from these other two creatures. Then they might technically be 'angels' when delivering a message. It could be they are called 'sons of God' or 'elim' in different contexts, or there may be angelic beings who served as angels who do not fit into this (or these) category(ies). There are traditions about hierarchies of angels. I do not see how we can arrive at all of these ideas from scripture, though. A lot of this is a mystery. Since angelic type beings work behind the scenes from our perspective, we may not need all the details in this age.
This is on point. Cherubim and Seraphim surely have 6 wings. And they have many eyes. They are called 'The many eye ones".
 

presidente

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The soul is the mediator between the Spirit and body. Since the Spirit Being is immortal, and the body is mortal, the two needs a middle man to keep them together. This middle man is the soul. The Soul weld the two together in a hypostatic union.


If it were not for the soul, the Spirit would not be able to be in a physical body. For the Spirit is above the laws of this earth. The Spirit can go through walls, what of the mortal body? The Soul is not the person, but the person is in the soul, that is the reason for Living soul.
Where do any of these ideas about the soul have any anchor in scripture? There are a few words translated 'soul'. It is helpful to run through the references with a concordance and see how they are all used.

Animals have souls if they are alive. The breath in the body is the soul. The life in the body is the soul. The individual person is a soul. In at least one passage, an animal's dead carcass is a soul.

I've seen a Venn diagram of body, soul, and spirit, and the soul is supposed to be some other invisible part of the human along with the spirit. I do not see it being used that way in the Bible.
 
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Umm humm. Well we have pastors here actually. I was in traveling ministry for 20 yrs. myself. So you're saying I wasn't called to share the Gospel with the unsaved? Because I sure didn't do it for the money.

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you.




That is speaking of the one world religion that will come, that is the future, though we can it lining up now. Yes, there will be churches that will be part of that, but not every church on earth today.



Utterly disagree with the RCC. Coronavirus is over hyped for political reasons. And we've had all kinds of them before and will have after. We live in a fallen world.




Do you believe Jesus is God? The Bible is clear about the kingdom of heaven. His followers at that time didn't understand. But we do. They thought He was speaking of an earthly kingdom, that He was to rule at that time. They didn't understand who He was. We do. It's not that complicated.
Yes, Jesus His Pre-Eminece is GOD.

Second, no you were not called, you were not sent to Preach. You did it for your reasons. But you were not sent to preach.

It is speaking of all the churches that are in the earth that is not the Church that Jesus His Pre-Eminence said HE would build. And the proof is that what is the name of HIS church? There are many churches out there with their own names, their own logos.

What did GOD call HIS church?

Your view on Coronavirus is your view. It is a plague from the abyss.
 

presidente

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So you're saying every pastor is a false teacher?

Yes. No Pastor in the earth today, no priest, no reverand, no bishop, no pope, none of them that are leaders of churches in the earth today, were sent, were called, were chosen to preach the Gospel. They are the church that Jesus His Pre-Eminence is not the builder of it. That doesn't mean that they are evil exactly, some are occultic, but others are children of the kingdom that are lovers of GOD. While others are those that went into ministry because they saw that as a lucrative business. But all of them are not sent by GOD to preach.
You have a very pitiful view of how God interacts with His church, as if the Spirit never directs anyone anywhere to do ministry or reveals or leads any congregation to separate anyone that He has called for the ministry.

If you think God's interaction with mankind is so limited, why would you think your own wild allegorical interpretations which run contrary to a plain sense of the text of scripture have any merit at all? If God does not call anyone, why would He reveal understanding about these passages of scripture-- that they do not actually say if you read in them in a straightforward manner-- to you?

And the Proof is in Revelation 18:4
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Now we have been dealing with a plague, coronavirus. Which church in the earth was not affected by it? Just look at how badly it ravaged the RCC. Then what of her daughters?
So, do you think the Covid-19 is one of the plagues mentioned in the book of Revelation?

That verse does not prove your point. It does not say that all preachers or churches are Babylon.

What are you... here on this forum preaching your creative ideas?
 

presidente

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This is on point. Cherubim and Seraphim surely have 6 wings. And they have many eyes. They are called 'The many eye ones".
I have no reason to think that seraphim have an unusual number of eyes like cherubim. I have never, to my knowledge, seen either of them myself.
 
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Where do any of these ideas about the soul have any anchor in scripture? There are a few words translated 'soul'. It is helpful to run through the references with a concordance and see how they are all used.

Animals have souls if they are alive. The breath in the body is the soul. The life in the body is the soul. The individual person is a soul. In at least one passage, an animal's dead carcass is a soul.

I've seen a Venn diagram of body, soul, and spirit, and the soul is supposed to be some other invisible part of the human along with the spirit. I do not see it being used that way in the Bible.
Animals do not have souls. When they die, their spirit returns to the matrix that produced them. Just as the earth produced the cattle, and the water produced the fish and marine life, and the birds of the air, there are the Matrixes of the earth that produced the Spirits of the animals, terrestrial animals.

the celsetial body of Man does not have lungs, they are not needed. There is no reason for the body to breathe air, it is an immortal body. The celestial body has the soul system of breathing. It doesn't mean the body needs to breathe to survive. That is for the Celestial body though.

For the mortal body it is not so. The Soul is the welding that keeps the Spirit Being inside the physical body. That is what the soul does. It is the Spirit body hugger. The Spirit Being is programmed in the soul and then baptised or immersed into the physical body. That is why baptizm should only be done by those with the power and authority to do it.
 
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You have a very pitiful view of how God interacts with His church, as if the Spirit never directs anyone anywhere to do ministry or reveals or leads any congregation to separate anyone that He has called for the ministry.

If you think God's interaction with mankind is so limited, why would you think your own wild allegorical interpretations which run contrary to a plain sense of the text of scripture have any merit at all? If God does not call anyone, why would He reveal understanding about these passages of scripture-- that they do not actually say if you read in them in a straightforward manner-- to you?



So, do you think the Covid-19 is one of the plagues mentioned in the book of Revelation?

That verse does not prove your point. It does not say that all preachers or churches are Babylon.

What are you... here on this forum preaching your creative ideas?
Yes, it is one of the plagues, and there are more to come. The preachers of the earth today, are in the streets spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, where they crucified our LORD. This was coded. Egypt Spiritualy means the terrestrial earth. Sodom Spiritualy means the churches that are not the church that GOD said HE would build.

The church is the people, not a building correct? It is the one GOD said HE would send to restore all things, that is the ONLY leader of the church. Everyone else is not. That is the church HE said HE would build. I will ask again, what is the name that Jesus His Pre-Eminence said HE would call HIS church?

Is it: latter day saints?
Is it catholics?
Is the the Nazarene?
what about The baptists?
Is it any number of names that the people have called their ministries?

The Name of Jesus His Pre-Eminence church was revealed in the bible, can you find it?
 
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kaylagrl

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Is this a serious question. Do you really want to know or are you planning to trample on them and mock me? Before i answer, why do you want to know?
Do we not believe the same thing? I'm asking you what does the Bible say? Do you have some other knowledge?
 
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Do we not believe the same thing? I'm asking you what does the Bible say? Do you have some other knowledge?
The bible says that the Serpent said: thou shalt surely not die. For GOD knows that in the day ye eatest thereof, that ye shall be as GOD knowing Good and Evil. This is what the bible says.