Do we really believe in God?

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Wow. It's not often that someone displays such a degree of folly.

What other people name their children is absolutely none of your business.
It is not me that they were ignorant to. It is the LOGOS of GOD that they were ignorant too.
 

Dino246

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So literal, literal to the core. The carnal mind cannot understand the things of the Spirit. Jesus His Pre-Eminence spoke in parables because it was not given to them to know the mysteries of the kingdom. If you do not understand them, then so be it.
You don't know jack about me, and you presume to add to the words of Jesus. Such utter arrogance.
 

Dino246

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#43
It is not me that they were ignorant to. It is the LOGOS of GOD that they were ignorant too.
Whatever, man. I've had enough of your folly for one day.
 
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pottersclay

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yes, John the Baptist which is an Elijah, is the greatest of the Prophets.

Seriously speaking, what would you consider to be greater than what jesus His Pre-Eminence did?

I call Jesus, His Pre-Eminence because HE is GOD and HE has Pre-Eminence in all things. There are people in the earth today that will even call their children Jesus, in ignorance, I choose to hallow the name of My GOD.
Really the question is what would jesus consider greater?
 
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pottersclay

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Sure, so is there an example that we can see in the bible, or in the last 2000+ years of this?
For those who had not seen the father nor the son but believed and obeyed unto death.
 

crossnote

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#47
Who here has perfect faith? Nevertheless, yes I believe.
 

luigi

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#48
No, he's not. He's a character in a parable. Jesus said nothing whatsoever about the character being a Christian, nor even about believing in God. The appellation, "Christian" did not even exist until several years after Pentecost.

Here's a good rule for commentary: be silent where Scripture is silent.
Do you understand that the Samaritan loved his neighbor, and by loving his neighbor, believes in God who is love?
The Samaritan, just like all those who loved their neighbor in Matthew 25:24-40, but were unaware that their belief in loving their neighbor was the same as believing in God/love and Christ;...are Christian believers.
In contrast, there will be many who will say: "Lord, Lord, did we not profess in your name, etc., etc., etc.....", to whom the Lord (who is love) will declare that He never knew them (Matthew 7:23). This is the same as saying those in Matthew 7:23 did not know love/God.
 

Dino246

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#49
Do you understand that the Samaritan loved his neighbor, and by loving his neighbor, believes in God who is love?
The Samaritan, just like all those who loved their neighbor in Matthew 25:24-40, but were unaware that their belief in loving their neighbor was the same as believing in God/love and Christ;...are Christian believers.
In contrast, there will be many who will say: "Lord, Lord, did we not profess in your name, etc., etc., etc.....", to whom the Lord (who is love) will declare that He never knew them (Matthew 7:23). This is the same as saying those in Matthew 7:23 did not know love/God.
A Christian is someone who believes in the divinity, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Christians are admonished to love their neighbours, but loving one's neighbour does not make anyone a Christian.
 

luigi

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A Christian is someone who believes in the divinity, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Christians are admonished to love their neighbours, but loving one's neighbour does not make anyone a Christian.
You are not looking spiritually, but are looking at the description mentally.
A Christian is one who believes in God who is Love, and does accordingly; just like the Samaritan in Luke 10 who never heard of Jesus, but loved his neighbor, and the sheep in Matthew 25:34-40, who were unaware that their love for their neighbor was faith in God and His Christ. In comparison, look at those who thought their mental ascension of declaring Christ as Lord, casting out demons, and doing numerous good works, in Matthew 7:22-23, believed themselves to be Christians, but in fact were not.
 

Dino246

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#51
You are not looking spiritually, but are looking at the description mentally.
A Christian is one who believes in God who is Love, and does accordingly; just like the Samaritan in Luke 10 who never heard of Jesus, but loved his neighbor, and the sheep in Matthew 25:34-40, who were unaware that their love for their neighbor was faith in God and His Christ. In comparison, look at those who thought their mental ascension of declaring Christ as Lord, casting out demons, and doing numerous good works, in Matthew 7:22-23, believed themselves to be Christians, but in fact were not.
I'm looking at it contextually and causally.

What happens to change a person from a non-believer to a Christian? Loving acts, or faith in Jesus Christ? Lots of atheists do things which, from the outside, look like loving acts. That doesn't make them Christians.

Jesus said nothing whatsoever about the Samaritan believing in God, or believing in anything particularly. Rather, He used a parable to illustrate a point. It's that simple. Claiming that the Samaritan was a Christian is going far outside both the text and the context, deep into the realm of irrelevant speculation.
 

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I'm looking at it contextually and causally.

What happens to change a person from a non-believer to a Christian? Loving acts, or faith in Jesus Christ? Lots of atheists do things which, from the outside, look like loving acts. That doesn't make them Christians.

Jesus said nothing whatsoever about the Samaritan believing in God, or believing in anything particularly. Rather, He used a parable to illustrate a point. It's that simple. Claiming that the Samaritan was a Christian is going far outside both the text and the context, deep into the realm of irrelevant speculation.
You either don't seem to understand what the scriptures are saying, or you do not want to see what they are saying.
To believe in Christ means to believe in loving love/GOD, which is the same as believing in loving your neighbor (Matthew 22:37-39, & John 4:23-24).

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
 

Dino246

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You either don't seem to understand what the scriptures are saying, or you do not want to see what they are saying.
To believe in Christ means to believe in loving love/GOD, which is the same as believing in loving your neighbor (Matthew 22:37-39, & John 4:23-24).

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
I understand quite adequately what the Scripture is saying.

You don't seem to understand the nature of an illustration. You also seem to be quite happy interpreting the illustration according to words that are entirely absent from it.

Let's get the causality sorted out: people love their neighbours BECAUSE they believe in Christ for salvation.

Get that mixed up, as it seems you have done, and you have people saved by works, not by faith.
 

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#54
Do we really believe in God?

Depends on who "we" is. I know 'me' does. I must state that believing does not profit unless it includes receiving Jesus as our Lord and Savior. It is only by and though the Blood of Jesus that any man can receive the gift of eternal life and be born again.
 

luigi

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I understand quite adequately what the Scripture is saying.

You don't seem to understand the nature of an illustration. You also seem to be quite happy interpreting the illustration according to words that are entirely absent from it.

Let's get the causality sorted out: people love their neighbours BECAUSE they believe in Christ for salvation.

Get that mixed up, as it seems you have done, and you have people saved by works, not by faith.
By your interpretation, people prior to Jesus' appearance were not saved through their faith in loving their neighbor. I on the other hand see the Lords example of the Samaritan who appeared before Christ and never heard of Christ, but who loved his neighbor, who was in fact the enemy of the Samaritans, as having faith/belief in Christ/love.
I would most definitely prefer to be someone prior to Christ's appearance who believed in loving my neighbor, than I would be being one of those in Matthew 7:22-23 who thought they believed in Christ by professing Christ, casting out demons, and doing many good works, but who apparently did not know love,... as Christ declared that He did not know them.
 

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Do we really believe in God?

Depends on who "we" is. I know 'me' does. I must state that believing does not profit unless it includes receiving Jesus as our Lord and Savior. It is only by and though the Blood of Jesus that any man can receive the gift of eternal life and be born again.
Yes it is by the blood of Jesus that we receive the gift of eternal life. Does this mean that one needs to mentally recognize that Jesus came and died for their sins/misdirection's to inherit the kingdom of heaven? Not according to the Word in Matthew 25:34-40! Here we see the sheepfold who had no idea they believed in Christ by loving their neighbor, who are awarded the kingdom of heaven. This sheepfold would most definitely include the Samaritan in Luke 10.
 

Dino246

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By your interpretation, people prior to Jesus' appearance were not saved through their faith in loving their neighbor. I on the other hand see the Lords example of the Samaritan who appeared before Christ and never heard of Christ, but who loved his neighbor, who was in fact the enemy of the Samaritans, as having faith/belief in Christ/love.
I would most definitely prefer to be someone prior to Christ's appearance who believed in loving my neighbor, than I would be being one of those in Matthew 7:22-23 who thought they believed in Christ by professing Christ, casting out demons, and doing many good works, but who apparently did not know love,... as Christ declared that He did not know them.
Wrong.

By my interpretation, the Samaritan is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER whose belief system IS NOT MENTIONED AT ALL.

smh...
 

oyster67

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Yes it is by the blood of Jesus that we receive the gift of eternal life. Does this mean that one needs to mentally recognize that Jesus came and died for their sins/misdirection's to inherit the kingdom of heaven? Not according to the Word in Matthew 25:34-40! Here we see the sheepfold who had no idea they believed in Christ by loving their neighbor, who are awarded the kingdom of heaven. This sheepfold would most definitely include the Samaritan in Luke 10.
We are accountable for what we know.
 
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So literal, literal to the core.
Amen, Specific to the Word of God. Do not add, assume, relish, embellish like you have. You have broken what Christ warned about on every verse you've introduced.

Proverbs 30:6
Do not add to His words
Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar.

Deuteronomy 4:2
You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Revelation 22:18-19
I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will [[take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city]], which are written in this book.
 

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Throughout the books in the bible, the Lord reiterates repeatedly through dozens of his servants, to walk humbly, do justly, be equitable, speak truth, and to basically love your neighbor. The Lord saw the need to repeat all this relatively simple set of commandments throughout the bible because He knew man would otherwise not believe in doing them. The reason why man would not believe in God/love, humility, truth, justice, and equity, is because there is another game afoot throughout the world which has been playing since man chose to believe in the devil over God, in the garden. It is that game of Mammon, which is also referred to as the curse in Isaiah 24 and Zechariah 3, whose belief in, supersedes our faith in God/love.
When the wedding comes, I hope not to be one of those in Matthew 22, whose playing interests in Mammon/the curse, supersede my interests in God/love.
well men find it hard to believe in general. It was women who first saw Jesus resurrected and the men at first didnt believe it when the women told them