Not By Works

so, when you are telling us how bad we are , and need to shape up and get right with God, you are not judging, you are exposing false doctrine.

o.k. sure.

What a silly statement. If you OSAS folks would step outside of your echo chamber, you'd discover that your sloppy agape gospel, which is no gospel at all, is in DECLINE. Christians are waking up to the truth that if we love Jesus, we'll heed His directive to "keep My commandments."

according to John, in his first letter, the commands are to believe in the name of the Son and love one another.

so, to believe is to obey.

You all denounce anyone who teaches that we must keep the commandments, and Jesus said those who do that would be called "least in the kingdom of heaven."

So, either stop telling people that salvation is not threatened by a decision to serve a new master, or take the whole thing up with Jesus and His Word, not me.

"The devils believe, and tremble", so what we believe is as important as believing in and of itself.

No you have NOT!

1 Peter 2:13-17 (NKJV)
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB) 9
He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according
to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace,
which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB) 5
He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy,
through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.

Romans 5:10 (HCSB)
10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, ⌊then how⌋ much more, having been reconciled, will we be saved by His life!


For those who think we can in this body be SINLESS, I want to prove that is not so, with one verse.
And it is IN THE OLD TESTIMENT, since you seem to be fond of those verses in the LAW.


Ecclesiastes 7:20 (NKJV) 20 For there is not a just man on earth who does good And does not sin.


Here is portion of Scripture, you probably VILOATE FREQUENTLY, and ignore that every time you ignore the fact is says,
EVERY ORDINANCE OF MAN, you are Sinning, because GOD SAYS IT IS HIS WILL that you SUBMIT to those Ordinances.



Break the Speed Limit by ONE mile per hour, you are SINNING.


Throw litter or a cigarette butt out the window, you are SINNING.

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LITTERING IS ILLEGAL, and you are SINNING.

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Fail to pick up dog poop were posted, you are SINNING.

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Park Illegally anywhere, you are SINNING.

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JAYWALKING IS ILLEGAL were Posted, and YOU ARE SINNING.


Honolulu police officers direct traffic at an intersection. Honolulu is the first major U.S. city to ban texting while walking in a crosswalk. It is coming to your town, too.
No TEXTING IN Crosswalk, and you are SINNING.

There are all kinds of other Orindinance of man, and every one you violate, Your are SINNING.


James 2:10 (NCV)
10 A person who follows all of God’s law but fails to obey even one command is guilty of breaking all the commands in that law.

If you answered his question he would not keep asking you over and over again

If you answered it. Then please state your answer so we can all see it, Since it is evident that many people did not see your answer.

If you do not wish to do it. We will all just assume you have never answered it

So you can not answer a simple yes or no? and have to pop an attitude like this?

Wow man, This is christlike

Thats usually what happens with them. I used to be this way also.

I have found we do this because then we are nor forced to look at our own sin. So we pick these people who have what we consider grave sins and judge them, Meanwhile we do not have to see all our sins and can either ignore them or talk ourselves out of the fact of how serious those sins are.

The person who walked me out of that mindset said I was watering down the law to an area where I could walk above it, and did not see how condemned i was by it.

I see he admitted he still sins. Now the goal is to get him to admit. By admitting those sins, He admits, That according to the law he is judged a sinner and by that judgment he is condemned. just like all the porn addicts murderers and drug users.

ie. just like the pharisee. who looked down on tax collectors, adulters and other sinners, And could not see their own sin, A fact Jesus called them out on so many times

These people would reject jesus also. Because jesus would call them hypocrites also.

I am not concerned with what others do. I am just asking you if you practice what you preach.

Your the one concerned with people and their sins.

Thanks for proving your a hypocrite

I examine myself. and I admit I am still a sinner. And that fact keeps me pointed at Christ. And not having to look at other worse sinners so I can feel good about myself. Like you are doing

I don't pump my chest and judge other sinners like you do on a daily basis in here

As we are doing with your false doctrine

The only difference is, You judge sinners. We do not. Because we know we are all sinners.

Look in the mirror man.

If he says he has no sin, he deceives himself and there is no truth in him.

If he has sin, As james said, He can try to keep the whole law. But the fact even he admits, he fails, in even one point, He is guilty as charged.

Put a murderer, a porn addict, A liar and a person who covets next to each other.

They are all just as guilty. And worthy of eternal fire.

Dude, Your legalistic gospel has been here since the begining of time, In fact, Your gospel is really no different than judaism or islam. You all base your eternity on how good you are and the works you do.

You need to get overyourself. and become like the tax collector. Your phariseeism is on display for all to see

Nope

We denounce anyone who says we must obey or we can lose our salvation.

We preach obedience, but you cant see that, Because your blinded by your own unbelief

He won't answer you bro. Like those before. He wont answer then claim he did, instead of answering again, Or give you this long drawn out answer which really does not answer it at all. then claim he answered. then get mad when he is confronted. Like he did

lololol....Echo chamber sir is where you are at. BTW, how many people have you brought to the knowledge of Jesus through your "compassion, love of fellowman, showing the love of Jesus, speaking with kindness, etc" I would still like to know if you failed any commandments yesterday, day before, today, etc.

First there was the law of Moses given by God to His people Israel. Everyone knows what happened there.

Then our Almighty God, Creator of Heaven and Earth, in His infinite mercy saw the Law of Moses was impossible to keep because of our sinful flesh. Through God's infinite love for His creation, He sent His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, to bear the sins of the world and to provide a path that we sinners can follow directly to Him. Because of the precious blood of Jesus Christ, we who accept Him and become a saved soul, are cleansed and made holy in order for us to be presented to Almighty God in God's righteousness.

Thank you God for all of the above.

Obey yes. Is it possible to obey, every day, every night, every week, etc? NO. Anyone who says they have no sin is a liar. Jesus Christ is our propitiation for the fleshly sinful nature we still possess and are at war with constantly.

I think that one has to be extremely humble and ask God for His Spirit to enlighten him in understanding scripture. There is some degree of enlightenment in this forum when people are allowed to express their questions, solutions, beliefs, or thoughts. I truly consider CC to be a blessing even though there are people who want to stifle speech that opposes their beliefs or opinions. I say put it out there and hopefully, if it's truth, God will bring enlightenment to the lucky ones.