What is Salvation?
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While we cannot earn salvation from the flesh by either what we do or do not do; leaving our carnal inclinations behind us is so that we can go for the spiritual that is God, in order to be adopted by God. It is therefore our reasonable service to present our bodies as a living sacrifice (Romans 12:1), so that Gods grace may save us.
Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
OK. I'll stick to believing in being saved from my carnal nature sins by Christs sacrifice should I choose to leave my sins and pursue the Spirit.
Such a perspective correlates and incorporates the whole Word into one clear picture, while other perspectives that incorporate just bits and pieces of the Word (cherry picking), deny other parts of the Word that clearly indicate such a perspective is wrong.
I will therefore continue to seek to present my body a living sacrifice to God in order to be acceptable to Him, rather than living for my flesh, and not be acceptable to Him.
Such a perspective correlates and incorporates the whole Word into one clear picture, while other perspectives that incorporate just bits and pieces of the Word (cherry picking), deny other parts of the Word that clearly indicate such a perspective is wrong.
I will therefore continue to seek to present my body a living sacrifice to God in order to be acceptable to Him, rather than living for my flesh, and not be acceptable to Him.
The question we are asked to answer is "what is salvation", and most of the answers include what happens to us, and what we are to do after salvation.
Salvation is simply the forgiveness of our sins through Christ so we may be saved from the death that is the result of sin and we may live with the Lord forever.
After we are saved, the Lord asks us to do certain things. We are to live in repentance from sin, to glory in the righteousness forgiveness gives us and want to live in the righteousness. We are to preform the rite of baptism, it is like a marriage rite. We symbolically wash our sins away. We are to offer forgiveness to others. We accept the righteousness of Christ, and that includes that Christ offers forgiveness to all. These things are after salvation, not salvation itself.
Salvation is simply the forgiveness of our sins through Christ so we may be saved from the death that is the result of sin and we may live with the Lord forever.
After we are saved, the Lord asks us to do certain things. We are to live in repentance from sin, to glory in the righteousness forgiveness gives us and want to live in the righteousness. We are to preform the rite of baptism, it is like a marriage rite. We symbolically wash our sins away. We are to offer forgiveness to others. We accept the righteousness of Christ, and that includes that Christ offers forgiveness to all. These things are after salvation, not salvation itself.
Yes I keep hearing we need to study the whole Bible but then immediately were back into "A study of the gospels will tell you......From red letter Christians or ' sermon on the mount Christians ' ( Mathew 5,6 Christians) You can spot them when you see their bibles show worn pages from Mathew - John , Acts and of course James .
A study of those closest to Jesus in the gospels shows that they had no clue about that sacrifice of Jesus on the cross . None of them understood .
31¶Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34¶And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
So if you were there back then and were preached to by the 12 and taught by them you would have no clue about the Gospel we preach today.
31¶Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34¶And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
So if you were there back then and were preached to by the 12 and taught by them you would have no clue about the Gospel we preach today.
Salvation is a gift from God. The Father grants the repentance to a sinner that is so deep that the sinner turns to God in sorrow for forgiveness and help in overcoming his sin. This repentance opens up the door to trusting in God's plan for salvation through Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins. He then perfects us through the Holy Spirit who fills our hearts with the same love that is shared with the Father and Son, makes us one with the Father and Son, and makes us part of Jesus' spiritual body. We are born again when we receive God's Spirit because we will have a new heart full of love for God and people. When we become one with the Father and Son, our bread (just like Jesus) is to do the Father's will, and when we become part of Jesus' body, we become adopted children of the Father. We are still sinners under the law because of our flesh, but we are no longer under the letter of the law but under the Spirit of the law which means that everything that we do is done with love in our hearts. If we do succumb to sin because of our flesh, we hate our sin and weakness and pray to God in the name of Jesus to help us overcome. We do not wallow in sin. Also, we glory in God's grace for choosing us to salvation.
Rom 9: 11 ( For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him that calleth)
Rom 9: 14-16 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For He saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then, it is NOT of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy.
Rom 9: 19-21 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth He yet find fault? For who hath resisted His will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to Him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor?
Rom 11: 5-6 Even so, then, at this present time also, there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then is it no more of works; otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace;
1 Peter 2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God, the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
1 Cor 1:9 God is faithful by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 Cor 1: 26-31 For ye see your calling, brrethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called; But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak thinggs of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not , to bring to nothing things that are, THAT NO FLESH SHOULD GLORY IN HIS PRESENCE. But of (by) Him are ye in Christ Jesus,who of (by) God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption; That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
Eph 1: 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who worketh all things after the counsel of His own will.
Col 3: 15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
Eph 2: 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
John 17: 1,2,7 These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up His eyes to heaven and said, Father the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee. As thou hast given Him power over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as thou HAST GIVEN HIM. Now they have known, that all things, whatever thou hast given me, ARE OF(BY) THEE.
John 6: 44 No man can come to me, except the Father, who hath sent me, draw him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6: 65 And HE said, Therefore said I unto you that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of (by) my Father.
Rom 8: 28-30 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover, whom He did predestinate, them He also called; and whom He called, them He also justified; and whom He justified, them He also glorified.
John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 17:11 Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Eph 2: 8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God- Not of works, lest any man should boast.
1 Peter 5: 13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, greeteth you;
Col 3: 12 Put on, therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, tender mercies, etc.
John 15: 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit,
John 17: 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name; those that thou gavest me I have kept , and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition, that the scripture might be fulfilled.
John 17: 9 I pray for them; I pray not for the world, but for them whom thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Acts 13: 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord; and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
2 Thes 2: 13-14 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth. Unto which He called you by our gospel to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1: 21-22 Now He who establisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God, who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
1 Peter 1: 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who, according to His abundant mercy, hath begotten us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also give life to your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you.
John 1: 12-13 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the children of God, even (that is) to them that believe on His name; Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, BUT OF GOD.
1 Peter 2: 3-5 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious; To whom, coming as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men but chosen of (by) God, and precious, Ye also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifice, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1 Peter 2: 9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a people of His own, that ye should show forth the praises of Him who hath called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.
Rev 17: 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them; for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings, and they that are with Him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Mark 13: 20 And except the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved; but for the elect's sake whom He hath chosen, He hath shortened the days.
Mark 13: 22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Rom 9: 14-16 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For He saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then, it is NOT of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy.
Rom 9: 19-21 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth He yet find fault? For who hath resisted His will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to Him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor?
Rom 11: 5-6 Even so, then, at this present time also, there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then is it no more of works; otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace;
1 Peter 2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God, the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
1 Cor 1:9 God is faithful by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.
1 Cor 1: 26-31 For ye see your calling, brrethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called; But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak thinggs of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not , to bring to nothing things that are, THAT NO FLESH SHOULD GLORY IN HIS PRESENCE. But of (by) Him are ye in Christ Jesus,who of (by) God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption; That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
Eph 1: 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who worketh all things after the counsel of His own will.
Col 3: 15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
Eph 2: 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
John 17: 1,2,7 These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up His eyes to heaven and said, Father the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee. As thou hast given Him power over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as thou HAST GIVEN HIM. Now they have known, that all things, whatever thou hast given me, ARE OF(BY) THEE.
John 6: 44 No man can come to me, except the Father, who hath sent me, draw him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6: 65 And HE said, Therefore said I unto you that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of (by) my Father.
Rom 8: 28-30 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover, whom He did predestinate, them He also called; and whom He called, them He also justified; and whom He justified, them He also glorified.
John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 17:11 Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Eph 2: 8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God- Not of works, lest any man should boast.
1 Peter 5: 13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, greeteth you;
Col 3: 12 Put on, therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, tender mercies, etc.
John 15: 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit,
John 17: 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name; those that thou gavest me I have kept , and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition, that the scripture might be fulfilled.
John 17: 9 I pray for them; I pray not for the world, but for them whom thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Acts 13: 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord; and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
2 Thes 2: 13-14 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth. Unto which He called you by our gospel to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1: 21-22 Now He who establisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God, who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
1 Peter 1: 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who, according to His abundant mercy, hath begotten us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also give life to your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you.
John 1: 12-13 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the children of God, even (that is) to them that believe on His name; Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, BUT OF GOD.
1 Peter 2: 3-5 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious; To whom, coming as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men but chosen of (by) God, and precious, Ye also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifice, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1 Peter 2: 9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a people of His own, that ye should show forth the praises of Him who hath called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.
Rev 17: 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them; for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings, and they that are with Him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Mark 13: 20 And except the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved; but for the elect's sake whom He hath chosen, He hath shortened the days.
Mark 13: 22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Just as man is appointed to die once, and after that to face judgment, so also Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many; and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who eagerly await Him. Hebrews 9:27-28 ~ Salvation being spared from "the wrath of God" directed at those who reject/deny Him, for they pass into the second death, which believers do not suffer (having attained to life ever after via faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ).