The Beast is arising

When considering Revelation prophecy, you have to "back up" and see/view it from a "wide-angle long-time" scale of things.

Unlike what most people seem to want to believe, the whole of the prophecy is not relegated to a short period of time (i.e. - 7 years or less); rather, it involves a much larger portion of human history - namely, the period of human history between the first and second comings of Christ.

The 'proof' that you seek lies in having this understanding accompanied by the alignment of the propecy with this [larger] period of history.

The following two views are both in error because they believe the whole of the prophecy to be contained in a short period of time:

~ all of the prophecy is past
~ all of the prophecy is future

In truth - some is past and some is future.

The thing that keeps people in error is not letting go of that highly-focused short-term mentality.

You must be able to "back up" (in your mind's eye view) and look at it on God's time scale. Otherwise, you will miss the whole picture - accepting instead a man-made idea with mangled scripture wrapped around it to make it seem like a nice tidy package that is preferred to be believed. But, it is not the truth.

Because people want [too much] to see all of End Times biblical prophecy in the short term - they will invariably and systematically remain in error.

Until the prophecy is approached with the proper time scale, the "true picture" will not be seen.

Perhaps someone else well-versed in the end times can explain where we are on the spectrum of end times. Are we in the tribulation right now?

The Bible does say it is relegated to a short period of time, such as:

Revelation 13:5
And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months.

Revelation 11:3
And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”

Where you see the word 'days' used, it is actual days.

Where you see '42 months' mentioned in Revelation 11:2 and 13:5, it is in [Jewish] year-days. (1260 years)

Where you see 'time, times, and half' mentioned in Daniel 7:25 and 12:7 - and in Revelation 12:14 - it is in [Jewish] year-days. (1260 years)

Again, what is the proof for this? You just say it is.

I could just say the 1260 days is actually 1260 weeks.

The 'proof' that you seek lies in having this understanding accompanied by the alignment of the propecy with this [larger] period of history.

You will understand in time...

(Your denial of the proper interpretation of Daniel 9:24-27 will, in time, show forth its error.)

No harshness intended, brother.

Just trying to encourage you to take another look at the passage.

the only answer I will have for you is that "God showed it to me"

I wish you would have just said this in the first place instead of getting people all cornfused.

I admit that although I've studied Scripture for over 40 years that I still don't know Revelations well. That's all changing fast and I'm scrambling to learn it.

That said, I know enough that I can see the Beast system arising around us. I not only see it - I sense its evil. Has anyone else had this uneasy feeling? We are now in a Police State. Police have been militarized (are tanks and takers and war equipment necessary against the American people?) and every day we read of accounts of police badly abusing and killing innocent citizens. This was perhaps driven home more to me since I experienced it: police shot to death my neighbors unarmed grandson. I learned about how they protect their own. A judge threw the family's lawsuit out - most likely because he was white. Blacks do have an advantage because they stick together and there is an uproar if a black is abused or killed. It still goes on unabated however as I spoke with a young black man in the hospital who told me that he and his friends are constantly abused by police. Very nice young man. It made me sick.

Not only that but my brother was beat up and robbed by police and my friend's daughter was sexually assaulted by them. They are now a system of thuggery in some places. So we have a beast system built around us and if you haven't experienced it yet...you will. Matt Agorist at The Free Thought Project carries unbelievable stories of police abuse of citizens. I'd like to make a point here that >>>this is a sign of a Nazi-like regime where the citizens have no power against the beast system.


Next there is technocracy: everything you say and do is captured by the beast government to use against you later. Cameras record many of your activities, license-plate readers record your whereabouts, and the coming ID 2020 will control even more.

The idea is that the state - or beat system - can turn off your access to money if you don't comply with the beast.

Chuck Baldwin said this is going to be a difficult year ahead: 2021. We'll be facing the beast.

Perhaps someone else well-versed in the end times can explain where we are on the spectrum of end times. Are we in the tribulation right now?

I don't really understand why we rush to understand the book of revelation once we start expericing difficulty or localised political/social issues.

I don't really understand why we rush to understand the book of revelation once we start expericing difficulty or localised political/social issues.
Makes me wonder what the citizens of Europe might of been thinking/feeling when entire cities across a continent were bombed to kingdom come during WW1 and WW2

So yes! Let us rush in to understand the book of Revelation and all related information.

I admit that although I've studied Scripture for over 40 years that I still don't know Revelations well. That's all changing fast and I'm scrambling to learn it.

That said, I know enough that I can see the Beast system arising around us. I not only see it - I sense its evil. Has anyone else had this uneasy feeling? We are now in a Police State. Police have been militarized (are tanks and takers and war equipment necessary against the American people?) and every day we read of accounts of police badly abusing and killing innocent citizens. This was perhaps driven home more to me since I experienced it: police shot to death my neighbors unarmed grandson. I learned about how they protect their own. A judge threw the family's lawsuit out - most likely because he was white. Blacks do have an advantage because they stick together and there is an uproar if a black is abused or killed. It still goes on unabated however as I spoke with a young black man in the hospital who told me that he and his friends are constantly abused by police. Very nice young man. It made me sick.

Not only that but my brother was beat up and robbed by police and my friend's daughter was sexually assaulted by them. They are now a system of thuggery in some places. So we have a beast system built around us and if you haven't experienced it yet...you will. Matt Agorist at The Free Thought Project carries unbelievable stories of police abuse of citizens. I'd like to make a point here that >>>this is a sign of a Nazi-like regime where the citizens have no power against the beast system.


Next there is technocracy: everything you say and do is captured by the beast government to use against you later. Cameras record many of your activities, license-plate readers record your whereabouts, and the coming ID 2020 will control even more.

The idea is that the state - or beat system - can turn off your access to money if you don't comply with the beast.

Chuck Baldwin said this is going to be a difficult year ahead: 2021. We'll be facing the beast.

Perhaps someone else well-versed in the end times can explain where we are on the spectrum of end times. Are we in the tribulation right now?

Any time is a good time (up until it is just plain too late... dead people don't rush very well).

Hello Breno785au!

The simple answer to your question, is that God wants us to know and study the information in the book of Revelation, for He says:

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"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His servants the things which must take place in quickness."

"Blessed is the one reading, and those hearing the words of the prophecy, and keeping the things having been written in it; for the time is near."

"I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book."

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It's an important book that God wants us to know and to keep/guard the words of this prophesy and to warn others of God's coming wrath and how to escape it.

So yes! Let us rush in to understand the book of Revelation and all related information.

No generation has had the mark of the beast technology emerge as this generation has, which tells us that we are very close to the Lord's appearing to gather His church.

All previous wars and troubles will be pale greatly in comparison to the coming plagues of wrath that are going to take place during the tribulation period, leading up to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age.

I admit that although I've studied Scripture for over 40 years that I still don't know Revelations well. That's all changing fast and I'm scrambling to learn it.

That said, I know enough that I can see the Beast system arising around us. I not only see it - I sense its evil. Has anyone else had this uneasy feeling? We are now in a Police State. Police have been militarized (are tanks and takers and war equipment necessary against the American people?) and every day we read of accounts of police badly abusing and killing innocent citizens. This was perhaps driven home more to me since I experienced it: police shot to death my neighbors unarmed grandson. I learned about how they protect their own. A judge threw the family's lawsuit out - most likely because he was white. Blacks do have an advantage because they stick together and there is an uproar if a black is abused or killed. It still goes on unabated however as I spoke with a young black man in the hospital who told me that he and his friends are constantly abused by police. Very nice young man. It made me sick.

Not only that but my brother was beat up and robbed by police and my friend's daughter was sexually assaulted by them. They are now a system of thuggery in some places. So we have a beast system built around us and if you haven't experienced it yet...you will. Matt Agorist at The Free Thought Project carries unbelievable stories of police abuse of citizens. I'd like to make a point here that >>>this is a sign of a Nazi-like regime where the citizens have no power against the beast system.


Next there is technocracy: everything you say and do is captured by the beast government to use against you later. Cameras record many of your activities, license-plate readers record your whereabouts, and the coming ID 2020 will control even more.

The idea is that the state - or beat system - can turn off your access to money if you don't comply with the beast.

Chuck Baldwin said this is going to be a difficult year ahead: 2021. We'll be facing the beast.

Perhaps someone else well-versed in the end times can explain where we are on the spectrum of end times. Are we in the tribulation right now?

A lot of it has to do with the 'minor' details that people tend to overlook. Some of it comes directly out of the 'grammar of the language'.

I will see about explaining this further with an example. Please be patient.

I told you:

Based on the kind of 'proof' you seem to be looking for (the 'courtroom' variety not based on faith) - at some point, the only answer I will have for you is that "God showed it to me" (or, helped me to understand it).

A lot of it has to do with the 'minor' details that people tend to overlook. Some of it comes directly out of the 'grammar of the language'.

I will see about explaining this further with an example. Please be patient.

The Bible does say it is relegated to a short period of time, such as:

Revelation 13:5
And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months.

Revelation 11:3
And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”