When Has God Gathered After He Scattered Without Any Repentance?

This has been answered several times, using Scripture, by people here. You're ignoring it and twisting the Bible to make it agree with your replacement theology.

ah alright I’ll let you make that point and not interfere

Anyone can stand on the sidelines and mouth off to the players. How about you getting into the game? Where is your one example from Scripture of when God gathered Israel back to the land after scattering them for disobedience without them first having repented?

We're waiting...

You just gonna ignore what I said about your "example" being illegit? You claimed the Exodus was God gathering Israel to their land after scattering them for disobedience.

I showed you that is a square peg being forced into a round hole, seeing that God had lead, not scattered, Israel down to Egypt so that his family could grow into a nation...and furthermore, they cried out to God for deliverance.

So, we're still waiting for your example in which God gathered them back to the land without them having cried out to God in repentance.

Seriously, I'm not interested in winning debate (not for vain glory, that is) - I'm trying to get people to understand that "Israel in prophecy" is not as cut and dry as they've been told by Jesuit Futurist trained preachers, from which Protestant Seminaries and Bible Colleges have since the middle of the last century been pumping out left, right, and center. There's an entire school of thought -- Protestant Historicism -- that is not only almost unknown to most "Protestant" students of eschatology who subscribe to Jesuit "Left Behind" Futurism, but unwelcome for any degree of consideration, a clear violation of Paul's words to "despise not prophesyings".

It just seems to me that a theory that was believed, preached, taught, and was the 10 Megaton theological Nuke Warhead of the Protestant church for over 300 HUNDRED YEARS - Protestant Historicism - deserves much more than just a dismissive callous swipe of the hand. I mean, really...do people really think the very system that still to this day can't get "salvation by grace through faith" correct - the Papacy - is to be trusted when it comes to the meat of Scripture like end times prophecy?

min lol alright it’s all good no worries you know ? I’m not trying to debate you was trying to let you do what your doing no worries or offense God bless

This is a fulfillment of prophecy as you have been told over and over again. It has nothing to do with repentance yet.
He will gather his chosen back to the land he promised them. God not a covenant breaker.
It is to show the world that the God of Israel is the one true living God. He has spoken it he will do it.
Before 1948 if you were to even consider this possible you would be called a fool.
Against all odds in one day as the Lord declared Israel became a nation once more.
If you think this is a coincidence the you are a foolish blind person.
He has called them to the promised land not to himself....yet.
Israel is God's history book that cannot be denied. The only nation in history that has survived such diabolical atrocities and yet returned to the place where it all started.
It's the whole world's time piece. The Lord will dwell with his people once more.
Why would jesus say it is the house of my friends. Just the same as the Lord said Abraham is his friend.
God said Israel is my heritage....how do you cut off your heritage?
God created Israel.. Israel did not create God.

And as you’ve been shown over and over, God has never gathered them without them having first repented, which means those promises now belong to Spiritual Israel.

Israel was in apostasy in Paul’s day - was he mistaken or under inspiration when he said Abraham’s seed were those belonging to Christ, to Whom the Jews of his day most certainly did not belong?

Yes, it’s too bad Paul called the church in Galatia “the Israel of God” because by that and the rest of Paul’s writings we know that Spiritual Israel not only exists, is the ONLY Israel that exists, but is also the subject of end times prophecy, including Romans 11 (which also accommodates the INDIVIDUAL Israelites that were scattered if they were willing to give themselves to Christ). Today, Literal Israel is lost in the murky waters of the global gene pool forever.

No, you're not waiting. I already gave you a reply and I'm not the only one. This is no game, this is the Word of God and you are twisting it to say something it doesn't. Don't try to walk up on me and try to intimidate with your foolishness. You're peddling the age old replacement theology that came straight out of the Catholic church, which they repented of after the Holocaust. I read up on this for years. I know what you're peddling.

He's not listening. He's been told this more than once. He let's a few posts go by till he thinks we've forgotten and asks the same stupid question that has already been answered several times. Then he acts like we're the ones that are slow on the uptake. Getting old real quick.

Gene pool seemed pretty clear when they were loading them onto trains and to their certain deaths. Funny, nobody seemed to care about their "purity" then. Odd that.

do you agree that the gathering of Israel means the gathering of Abraham’s children ? If so consider that the gospel is the fulfillment of that covenant .

what I mean is

“And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:8, 14, 16, 27-29‬ ‭

you know the remnant that was to be spared before Jerusalems desolation ? The remnant is the original believers and early church , and because Israel as a nation rejected Christ thier messiah ( the one promised to fulfill thier covenant thier promised king was the final stage of their covenant and they crucified him and that meant this for Israel the earthly nation

this parable tells the story of what happened and why

“Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:33-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the people of that nation are those born in Christ the seed of Abraham , Abraham’s children by faith are being gathered through the gospel that’s what Paul is explaining


The promise for Abraham’s children never actually came until christs birth who is the seed of Abraham’s promise


“the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.”

Genesis 12 -22 that promise becomes “ in your seed all nations will be blessed “ this was before israel the nation existed Jacob later was called Israel . The promise came beforehand to Abraham for all People on earth , the fulfillment of that is the gospel being sent to all
People of the earth so that they become the new nation of Hods chosen not by blood of abram the Hebrew but by the faith of Abraham the man who believed God and became the friend of God and father of many nations

the promise to Abraham is where Israel’s shadow covenant came from thier covenant was “ of you don’t break my commandments and defile my covenant and worship other gods you will be blessed in the land of your inheritance . But if you break it you will be perpetually cursed and made an example of for all the world

they broke it . Your right Godnis absolutely no covenant breaker , but israel of the flesh were

because they crucified their king and savior in the flesh , tier covenant is now a curse upon the world like he warned before Jesus came

“And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s about John the Baptist and Jesus it begins on chapter 3 there . John was beheaded , and Jesus was crucified and the people’s hearts remained hard but for a remnant who believed the gospel. That’s the promised remnant

thier oromoses were always based on them repenting and obeying and they never did even when Jesus appeared among them in the flesh they killed him .

so the curse that was promised in thier covenant for transgression came forth

and God made a new one but only some received him when he came

“For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭36:24-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus came to do all that he promised his word was the cleaning

“Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:3‬ ‭

he promised To give them the Holy Spirit , a new heart with his words written upon it by faith . He promised those things because it’s thier oromoses being fulfilled God came to dwell Among them and heal thier sinful hearts and minds so they would walk in his ways but they rejected and crucified him .

thier covenant is fulfilled by thoer desolation since as 70 and Israel’s promise through Abraham is being fulfilled the true eternal
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“as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”


The kingdom of God is the nation of Israel in heaven and will come forth when the earth is made new

it’s going to be restored physically on this earth

“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s citizens are those of any people who believe the gospel Israel rejected but a believing remnant carried To us in the world and God is gathering his people one by one for when the restoration comes when he returns from heaven

“Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:19-21‬ ‭


This world including the land of Israel is cursed but he’s making it new the people are being gathered through Christ the children of Abraham

you've couched your thread in antisemetism and demanded a narrow answer to one of two instances of being carried away either to Babylon or Assyria, but the real question here is the same one of the book of Job, whether blessing & calamity are direct results of sin and righteousness -- and you have chosen the answer of Eliphaz, Bildad & Zophar, saying that Israel cannot be Israel because God never materially blesses the unrepentant or shows kindness to sinners.
this is wrong. God rebuked these men; He shows mercy to whom He will show mercy.

the sojourning of the people in Egypt is the sojourning of the people in Babylon, yes. it is the same. He treats Israel as his wife, Ephraim as His son, and these things are the same as the Levite who went to speak kindly to his wife in Judges 19:1-3 -- which is the same as Christ coming to pitch His tent among a people who reject the light. it is the same as king Josiah being prophesied and appearing, taking the throne among an idolatrous people who forsook God, and reforming them. the people did not tear their own high places down and take their own idols out of the temple and only then was Josiah sent, but Josiah was sent and did these things.

the people were cursing God, saying He only brought them out of Egypt in order to murder them in the wilderness, when He parted the Sea of Reeds. the people were cursing God, saying He only brought them out of Egypt to murder them, their children, and their animals when He gave them manna.

you said, the people were captives in Egypt for their good, as though this wasn't the case in Babylon. but God says the Babylonian captivity was for their good:

in fact ((see rest of chapter)) He says the people who were not scattered, are the bad figs, accursed. and look who it was who gave them a heart to know God? God Himself, not them themselves. it was not they who repented and caused God to change His judgement, but God who appointed their season of sojourning and who turned their hearts Himself.

your premise here is that Israel is not Israel because Israel is still blinded, fulfilling the Word which was spoken through Isaiah, until the bringing in of the Gentiles is complete. but these are His own appointed times and His own chosen people -- they were not brought out of Babylon because of their 'sovereign-free-will-choice' but because God appointed the years of their captivity, because God gave them a heart to know Him, and because God brought about both their sojourning and their gathering:

seventy years. according to the Word of the LORD, not according to the whim of the people. according to the sovereign decree of God, not the sovereign will of man. He appointed the time of the people's exile & suffering in Egypt, and He appointed the time of their exile & suffering in Babylon, and He appointed the time of Job's suffering, and He appointed the time of yours and mine.

Eliphaz, Bildad, Zophar & Phoneman say if you are blessed you have been righteous, and if you have trouble you have sinned. you say, God does not bless His people and give them a home, a land, and a name, unless they are holy. you say, Israel is not Israel because Israel does not do the works you want to see them doing. but God says He creates the light and forms the darkness, brings goodness and calamity, and appoints the time and the seasons. God says He reveals Himself to a people who did not look for Him, that He comes to save sinners, to bind up the broken hearted and heal the sick, not the well.

you act like no one prayed in Auschwitz.

in 1 Samuel 4-6 the Ark of The Testimony was captured by the Philistines.

it was not returned to Israel because Israel repented; it was returned to Israel because the hand of the LORD was against every city they brought it to, toppling their gods and afflicting them with death and pestilence.

ask yourself why this is in scripture.
ask yourself if scripture gives mixed messages.

does this say the articles of the temple will be brought back on the day the people exercise their sovereign will to choose God?
no; this says they will be restored on the day the LORD chooses to visit them.

God chastens, and God restores, in order to turn our hearts to Him. He's the cause. John wasn't sent because the people had repented; John was sent to turn the hearts of the children back to their Father. Christ didn't come because the people had chosen Him; He came because He chose them. it is called "mercy" because it is not what we have earned or what we deserve.

does this say they will be restored from their captivity because of their sovereign will to repent?
no. it says because of the blood of their covenant.

so you see @Phoneman-777, i believe you are misrepresenting the question of the restoration of Israel in a biased way here, in the same way in which you misrepresent your arguments against the faithfulness of God to save those whom He calls His own -- you phrase the security of the believer in terms of the damnation of hypocrites, as though salvation is not the work of God but the work of man, and you phrase the restoration of Israel also as though it is their work, not God's.

but i believe it is God who appoints times and seasons, God who shows mercy and who judges, God who gives a new heart and God who does His will according to His good pleasure in all the earth and all the heavens. i don't believe i cause Him to do anything, but that He is who numbers my days. therefore i praise Him in the years of my own suffering just as in the years of my delight; when He gives, when He takes away, he is God.

does this say God will obediently come to Israel when they whistle for Him?
because they turn and call to Him, He will run to them?
no.
it says He will whistle for them, and they will be gathered.
it says, because He is the one who has mercy.

they didn't leave Babylon on their own -- they were sent back. they didn't leave Egypt on their own; they were brought out even while they wanted to go back.

Yes I do agree totally 😉😉

What you have done is christianized biblical prophecy which so many do not knowing hebrew wording.
You have spiritualized that you do not see and understand.
Many of the church teaching fall into this trap.

I may have missed it. Will check to see.

I didn’t ask you for a reply, I asked you for an example.

Checked your OP responses going back to March 15 and not a single one contains a Scriptural example of God gathering the nation of Israel back to the land after scattering them for disobedience without them first repenting.