Visualization in Prayer

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throughfaith

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His program started long before the concept of Jew even existed. Jesus was the Son of God long before He came to Abraham or came into Mary. It is hard for you to admit your grievous error, but you will have to sooner or later. The Written Word of God is for all of us and you need to stop preaching otherwise. His program can be seen in the Garden when He provided a covering for Adam and Eve.
AGAIN . And this must be the 100th time this month alone. ALL of the bible is for us , but not all the bible is TO US . So pay attention and stop the knee jerk responses . God didn't personally have his word penned just solely for you .
 

throughfaith

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His program started long before the concept of Jew even existed. Jesus was the Son of God long before He came to Abraham or came into Mary. It is hard for you to admit your grievous error, but you will have to sooner or later. The Written Word of God is for all of us and you need to stop preaching otherwise. His program can be seen in the Garden when He provided a covering for Adam and Eve.
I the one here who is actually defending ALL of the bible . In context.
 

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His program started long before the concept of Jew even existed. Jesus was the Son of God long before He came to Abraham or came into Mary. It is hard for you to admit your grievous error, but you will have to sooner or later. The Written Word of God is for all of us and you need to stop preaching otherwise. His program can be seen in the Garden when He provided a covering for Adam and Eve.
Do you accept that God had intended to communicate directly to certain people in the bible also? Or did he intend only to speak to you ?
 

oyster67

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Could you give me your thoughts on this verse please?
24¶But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Jesus' program is for everyone; beginning with the lost sheep of the house of Israel and extending to everyone. His program is to everyone who will come to him by faith, as can be seen in the passage you just cited...

Matthew
15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast [it] to dogs.
15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great [is] thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

This was the program the whole time; "The just shall live by faith." No exceptions.
 

throughfaith

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Jesus' program is for everyone; beginning with the lost sheep of the house of Israel and extending to everyone. His program is to everyone who will come to him by faith, as can be seen in the passage you just cited...

Matthew
15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast [it] to dogs.
15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great [is] thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

This was the program the whole time; "The just shall live by faith." No exceptions.
I've already mentioned the exceptions to his programme where he came only to the Jews . Like the verse said . He says himself he wasn't sent but unto the lost Sheep of the house of Israel . Thats his earthy mission in the four gospels. Then in Acts later , 10 years after God grants repentance to gentiles .
I am NOT SENT !!! but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
You kind of fluffed around this verse without addressing it ?
 

throughfaith

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Jesus' program is for everyone; beginning with the lost sheep of the house of Israel and extending to everyone. His program is to everyone who will come to him by faith, as can be seen in the passage you just cited...

Matthew
15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast [it] to dogs.
15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great [is] thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

This was the program the whole time; "The just shall live by faith." No exceptions.
// Jesus' program is for everyone// Which ? the one in which he said he was not sent but unto the lost sheep of Israel? The one in which he told the disciples to only preach to Jews . Which program at which time ? Was Jesus lying when he said those things ?
 

throughfaith

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Jesus' program is for everyone; beginning with the lost sheep of the house of Israel and extending to everyone. His program is to everyone who will come to him by faith, as can be seen in the passage you just cited...

Matthew
15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast [it] to dogs.
15:27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great [is] thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

This was the program the whole time; "The just shall live by faith." No exceptions.
Is this programme everyone?
Mat 10

5¶These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

How is it they don't deviate from this until 10 years after Acts 2 with Cornelius?
 

oyster67

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I've already mentioned the exceptions to his programme where he came only to the Jews . Like the verse said . He says himself he wasn't sent but unto the lost Sheep of the house of Israel . Thats his earthy mission in the four gospels. Then in Acts later , 10 years after God grants repentance to gentiles .
I am NOT SENT !!! but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
You kind of fluffed around this verse without addressing it ?
I simply presented it in it's context, which you failed to do.

You continue to call the core Truth an "exception". At this point you have overexposed yourself. I do not understand what your agenda is, but I will pray for you.
 

throughfaith

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I simply presented it in it's context, which you failed to do.

You continue to call the core Truth an "exception". At this point you have overexposed yourself. I do not understand what your agenda is, but I will pray for you.
I take
I simply presented it in it's context, which you failed to do.

You continue to call the core Truth an "exception". At this point you have overexposed yourself. I do not understand what your agenda is, but I will pray for you.
I take each verse and believe what it says ,in context . I don't base it on over arching, fluffy assumptions. Like ' core truth ' ( What ever that means ) . I don't base what I believe on majority opinions or wanting to agree with the in groups to appear orthodoxy.
 
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So, you have no thoughts at all when you pray?
Don't be absurd. I have already explained to you what I mean, and you agreed to some extent.
So will again one more time.
When Jesus was teaching he always took the commandments to their roots. Don't commit adultery; if you look at a woman and lust you have committed adultery in your heart already, do not murder; if you are angry with your brother with out cause you have already committed murder in your heart. Now what does that say about do not make any images and do not bow down to them? So if you are creating an image of God in your imagination during prayer, you are definitely in dangerous waters.

Now if you picture the people you are praying for, or picturing the things you are thankful for or what ever. Well, what ever.
 

oyster67

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I take
I take each verse and believe what it says ,in context . I don't base it on over arching, fluffy assumptions. Like ' core truth ' ( What ever that means ) . I don't base what I believe on majority opinions or wanting to agree with the in groups to appear orthodoxy.
Just come to the Light, my friend. That's all we ask.
 

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Lets find out by looking in the dictionary...

Visualization: The forming of a mental image.
Thats right. Makeing a mental Image from something what is not an Image before. F.e a written Text.
In psychology it has a far more meaning that something will come Real through visualisation with your mental Power.
Useing this Kind of visualisation has nothing to do with a prayer to our heavenly father.
The same seens me in the OP example from the Lords prayer.
 

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Salvation through the Blood of Jesus for all time.
Yes were back to every question is simply answered by saying " Jesus " . No one can argue with that, so its the perfect defeater. Doesn't make for a good bible study however. I might try it though on here ..Every topic , " Jesus, is the answer , always has been , always has been brother, don't stress the details bro , Jesus !! .
 

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Yes his death was for the sins of the world . But programmatically his mission is to Jews only , We only come in after their rejection ( He came to his own ....)
For the first about 2,000 years of the world, until Noah, there were only gentles and Nephilim. After the flood, again for about 400 years there were only gentiles. All this time the Lord wanted humans to be saved and live eternally with Him.

When all humans had forgotten the Lord and created idols to worship, then God took a gentile and made that gentile into a Hebrew with the purpose of this race showing the rest of the world about God. That is the purpose of the Jew. It took until about 600 years before Christ when Hebrews were first called Jews----they were people of the tribe of Judah.

Any time you speak of the Lord as a "Jews only" Lord, you are in error.
 

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God didn't personally have his word penned just solely for you .
You are mistaken. God gave ALL humans His scripture, each of us has scripture telling us about
God directed to each of us.
 

throughfaith

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For the first about 2,000 years of the world, until Noah, there were only gentles and Nephilim. After the flood, again for about 400 years there were only gentiles. All this time the Lord wanted humans to be saved and live eternally with Him.

When all humans had forgotten the Lord and created idols to worship, then God took a gentile and made that gentile into a Hebrew with the purpose of this race showing the rest of the world about God. That is the purpose of the Jew. It took until about 600 years before Christ when Hebrews were first called Jews----they were people of the tribe of Judah.

Any time you speak of the Lord as a "Jews only" Lord, you are in error.
I'm referring to the four Gospels. Jesus ministry in the four Gospels.
 

Blik

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I'm referring to the four Gospels. Jesus ministry in the four Gospels.
In order to know God, we need to keep in mind the entire scripture, not just the gospels. As we read the gospels, we need to know how it fits into God's plan. To know Christ, we need to know Christ was from the beginning. You can zero in on just one aspect, but only by acknowledging all of Christ.

As an example, as we read how Christ fulfilled all spoken of him in the old testament, we need to know what was spoken of him. The sacrificial system gives us an outline of that, Christ completed all of it and made it perfect.