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Romans 6:6
6 knowing this: that our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Our Lord may lead us to all the truth, through His Holy Spirit. I would be grateful with your approach on a biblical definition for "body of sin". ¿Does it involve only phisical aspects of sin, such as lust or gluttony, or negative desires from the heart too, like envy, anger, arrogance? ¿Can the body of sin be crucified once and for all, or it's a condition we must struggle with for all of our lives? ¿How do we live a life in right standing with God while experiencing the effects of the body of sin in us? ¿Does it connect with the original sin? I understand this is basic dictrine, and I would appreciate your answers.
 
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DiegoB said:
Romans 6:6
6 knowing this: that our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Our Lord may lead us to all the truth, through His Holy Spirit. I would be grateful for your approach on a biblical definition for "body of sin". Does it involve only physical aspects of sin, such as lust or gluttony, or negative desires from the heart too, like envy, anger, arrogance? ¿Can the body of sin be crucified once and for all, or it's a condition we must struggle with for all of our lives? ¿How do we live a life in right standing with God while experiencing the effects of the body of sin in us? Does it connect with the original sin? I understand this is basic doctrine, and I would appreciate your answers.
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Body of Sin is another way of saying, "Sinful Nature." The KJV uses "body of the sins of the flesh" while the NLT uses the phrase, "Sinful Nature. By comparing the NLT with the KJV, you will get a very clear picture of what is happening, there.

If people think that this is about physical circumcision, then by looking at the KJV translation, are we to assume that verse 13 is about actual, physical foreskins? Check out the verse . . .

Colossians 2:13 KJV - "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses . . ."

Ask yourself what it is that is to be "quickened" together with Christ? Is it the dead, withered foreskins of all the men on the earth, or is it "Sarx," the Sinful State of a person . . . which applies to all people and not just men.

The entire purpose of the Bible is wrapped up in Colossians 2:9-15 (Seven Amazing Verses), and that Eternal Purpose was for Christ to become the remedy to that Sinful State of a person, a state that was applied all the way back in the Garden of Eden. If Jesus does not cut away the Curse that includes the Sinful Nature, then the entire Bible is garbage . . . pointless and useless.

Believe me . . . I could write an entire 300+ page book on your question with hundreds upon hundreds of clear Bible references.

Read the three sets of Bible passages, starting with the lower-left corner, working your way to the bottom right, and then read the passages at the pinnacle of the Triangle . . . Colossians 2:9-15. This is the Core of the Bible . . . if you take the time to understand how these three sets of passages are at the absolute center of our Bible, your entire approach and concept of the Bible will change, and probably as you had always hoped.

Ask yourself . . . how else am I to become Transformed by the renewing of my mind unless I am relieved of the Curse of Adam and Eve?
 
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Its worth adding these verses into the discussion, as they explain quite a lot .
Col 2
10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11¶In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, IN PUTTING OFF THE BODY OF THE SINS IN THE FLESH by the circumcision of Christ:
12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
 
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2ndTimothyGroup said:
Body of Sin is another way of saying, "Sinful Nature." The KJV uses "body of the sins of the flesh" while the NLT uses the phrase, "Sinful Nature. By comparing the NLT with the KJV, you will get a very clear picture of what is happening, there.

If people think that this is about physical circumcision, then by looking at the KJV translation, are we to assume that verse 13 is about actual, physical foreskins? Check out the verse . . .

Colossians 2:13 KJV - "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses . . ."

Ask yourself what it is that is to be "quickened" together with Christ? Is it the dead, withered foreskins of all the men on the earth, or is it "Sarx," the Sinful State of a person . . . which applies to all people and not just men.

The entire purpose of the Bible is wrapped up in Colossians 2:9-15 (Seven Amazing Verses), and that Eternal Purpose was for Christ to become the remedy to that Sinful State of a person, a state that was applied all the way back in the Garden of Eden. If Jesus does not cut away the Curse that includes the Sinful Nature, then the entire Bible is garbage . . . pointless and useless.

Believe me . . . I could write an entire 300+ page book on your question with hundreds upon hundreds of clear Bible references.

Read the three sets of Bible passages, starting with the lower-left corner, working your way to the bottom right, and then read the passages at the pinnacle of the Triangle . . . Colossians 2:9-15. This is the Core of the Bible . . . if you take the time to understand how these three sets of passages are at the absolute center of our Bible, your entire approach and concept of the Bible will change, and probably as you had always hoped.

Ask yourself . . . how else am I to become Transformed by the renewing of my mind unless I am relieved of the Curse of Adam and Eve?
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Thank you, I will read more carefuly the passages you recommend me.
 
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DiegoB said:
Thank you, I will read more carefully the passages you recommend to me.
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That is a very good idea. Be careful of what others have to say regarding this topic . . . and be sure to call upon the Spirit of God to teach you the Holy Truth.
 
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DiegoB said:
I would be grateful with your approach on a biblical definition for "body of sin"
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THE OLD MAN = THE BODY OF SIN = THE FLESH = THE SIN NATURE

When a person is saved and born again, that person receives a new nature -- a new heart and a new spirit. But the flesh is not eradicated. It must be "reckoned" as dead and powerless, since the indwelling Holy Spirit empowers the believer to overcome the flesh.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
THE OLD MAN = THE BODY OF SIN = THE FLESH = THE SIN NATURE

When a person is saved and born again, that person receives a new nature -- a new heart and a new spirit. But the flesh is not eradicated. It must be "reckoned" as dead and powerless, since the indwelling Holy Spirit empowers the believer to overcome the flesh.
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Thank you, Nehemiah6!

This is exactly right, DiegoB. Nehemiah6 is right, for he is referencing 2nd Peter 1:4, which tells us about this new Nature . . . a Holy and Divine Nature. This New Nature is a replacement for the Sin Nature that Nehemiah6 has also told us about. Here it is:

2 Peter 1:4 NLT - "And because of his glory and excellence, he has given us great and precious promises. These are the promises that enable you to share his divine nature and escape the world's corruption caused by human desires."

When a person takes on this New Nature, the event that takes place during the Circumcision of Christ, this is the moment when that human will begin the remainder of their life, learning to operate by the Laws of the Spirit of Life. Anyone who lives by the Laws of the Spirit of Life, they have received the Circumcision of Christ. Here it is:

Romans 8:2 KJV - "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." - Do you recall when I quoted the Colossians 2:9-15 verses? This was the moment that Christ has made His Child Free from the Law of Sin and Death, and that Law of Sin and Death is the Curse of Adam and Eve, which includes the Sinful Nature.
 
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the indwelling Holy Spirit empowers the believer to overcome the flesh.
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Extremely useful, our Lord may bless you. Since the definition of body of sin is more clear linking it with those other terms in the bible, I'd move forward a bit by addressing these questions: ¿Can the body of sin be crucified once and for all, or it's a condition we must struggle with for all of our lives? ¿How do we live a life in right standing with God while experiencing the effects of the body of sin in us?
 
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2ndTimothyGroup said:
2 Peter 1:4 NLT - "And because of his glory and excellence, he has given us great and precious promises. These are the promises that enable you to share his divine nature and escape the world's corruption caused by human desires."

When a person takes on this New Nature, the event that takes place during the Circumcision of Christ, this is the moment when that human will begin the remainder of their life, learning to operate by the Laws of the Spirit of Life. Anyone who lives by the Laws of the Spirit of Life, they have received the Circumcision of Christ. Here it is:

Romans 8:2 KJV - "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." - Do you recall when I quoted the Colossians 2:9-15 verses? This was the moment that Christ has made His Child Free from the Law of Sin and Death, and that Law of Sin and Death is the Curse of Adam and Eve, which includes the Sinful Nature.
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DiegoB said:
Extremely useful, our Lord may bless you. Since the definition of body of sin is more clear linking it with those other terms in the bible, I'd move forward a bit by addressing these questions: ¿Can the body of sin be crucified once and for all, or it's a condition we must struggle with for all of our lives? ¿How do we live a life in right standing with God while experiencing the effects of the body of sin in us?
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When a man is physically circumcised, what man wants his old foreskin returned and reinstalled? None. When a person has been relieved of the Sinful Nature, the mind senses the difference as it begins to think in a whole new way. Once that Curse has been lifted and the Holy Spirit is Indwelt within you, that Curse will never return. How do we know? The Holy Spirit will never leave us . . . the Spirit will carry on the Lord's Work and He will not fail.

Once Spiritually Circumcised, always Spiritually Circumcised. The Seal of Ownership has been cast and that person is no longer their own . . . they are the Property of Christ.
 
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¿Can the body of sin be crucified once and for all, or it's a condition we must struggle with for all of our lives?
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No. The sin nature (body of sin) will only be eradicated at the Rapture, when all the saints will be perfected (body, soul, and spirit) (1 John 3:1-3). But God did not intend for Christians to struggle all through life. So the focus must always be on (1) God, (2) Christ, (3) righteousness and (4) good works by the power of the Spirit. See Philippians 4:4-9.
¿How do we live a life in right standing with God while experiencing the effects of the body of sin in us?
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I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. (Rom 12:1,2)

As you can see, God sees this as "reasonable". And the mind can only be renewed by the Word of God (the Sword of the Spirit). So you must be immersed in Scripture (the King James Bible or its equivalent in Spanish), and abandon all the other distractions. Also, as a believer you already have a right standing with God. since you are justified by grace through faith. So this is about sanctification and holiness (your state).
 
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sanctification and holiness
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Thank you, the Lord may bless you. Could we say that holiness can be attained only after the rapture? Since we can't undergo complete sanctification while the body of sin hasn't been erradicated.
 
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DiegoB said:
Could we say that holiness can be attained only after the rapture?
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Yes. Total holiness will be possible only after the Rapture. But holiness implies sanctification, purification, separation, dedication, and consecration unto God -- separation from all that is corrupt, sinful, and evil. And that is expected in this life.

It may not be easy, but it can be done by the grace of God and the power of the Spirit: And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. (Eph 4:24)
 
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Romans 6:6
6 knowing this: that our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Our Lord may lead us to all the truth, through His Holy Spirit. I would be grateful with your approach on a biblical definition for "body of sin". ¿Does it involve only phisical aspects of sin, such as lust or gluttony, or negative desires from the heart too, like envy, anger, arrogance? ¿Can the body of sin be crucified once and for all, or it's a condition we must struggle with for all of our lives? ¿How do we live a life in right standing with God while experiencing the effects of the body of sin in us? ¿Does it connect with the original sin? I understand this is basic dictrine, and I would appreciate your answers.
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Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

When we are saved we still have the sin nature according to the flesh for it does not change but we go by the Spirit which a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh for they have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts, and show the ways of the Spirit and not the flesh.

And God will not allow them to be tempted above what they are able, and will give them an escape from the temptation so they can bear it.
 
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No. The sin nature (body of sin) will only be eradicated at the Rapture, when all the saints will be perfected
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Be careful @DiegoB . Colossians 2:9:10 says that when a person receives the Circumcision of Christ . . . they are COMPLETE.

Don't let these people lead you astray. Read the Word of God; don't twist the Word of God; Believe the Word of God.

Colossians 2:10 KJV - "And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power . . ."
 
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Colossians 2:10 KJV - "And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power
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I took this as a declaration by faith, that we know we are complete even when that completion has not been totally manifested in us, but I'd appreciate your approach on it. Our Lord my bless you.
 
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DiegoB said:
I took this as a declaration by faith, that we know we are complete even when that completion has not been totally manifested in us, but I'd appreciate your approach on it. Our Lord may bless you.
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Diego . . . you're turning Scripture into saying things that it does not say. How will you ever hold the Truth if you don't accept what Scripture is telling you. Colossians 2:10 is telling you that a person who receives Christ is Complete. Verses 11 through 15 tell you EXACTLY how and why.

Please do not miss this text. These are the single most important verses in the entire Bible because it is these Incredible verses that will place you on the path of having the right perspective on the Bible. If you don't know how these verses fit in with the entire Bible . . . understanding His Holy Word is going to be very difficult. You must, absolutely must begin reading and discovering the Bible for yourself.

Microsoft Word - Plan4.docx (blueletterbible.org)

That link above will get you on track. If you do not see the Bible as one long story, then you have not been taught the Bible. You may be able to quote certain parts of it, but the story and Purpose of Christ will likely remain a mystery until you pass away.

Trust in the Spirit of God, and I say this because right now you are being flooded with all kinds of ideas that do not support one another. How can you understand the Truth if the vast majority are telling you the wrong things? Trust in the Spirit that He will show and teach you the Holy Truth.
 
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DiegoB said:
may our Lord grant me this, thank you very much. I will continue searching for His truth.
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Don't even listen to me, but listen to the Holy Spirit, if the Holy Spirit is leading you. I've given you those three sets of passages to dwell on. Study them, making them the focus of all of your Bible Studies. If a person does not understand the Mysterious Plan of God, they cannot know the Full, and True Gospel of Christ.

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Be careful @DiegoB . Colossians 2:9:10 says that when a person receives the Circumcision of Christ . . . they are COMPLETE.

Don't let these people lead you astray. Read the Word of God; don't twist the Word of God; Believe the Word of God.

Colossians 2:10 KJV - "And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power . . ."
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Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

We are complete in Christ if we are led of the Spirit and a Spirit led life will abstain from sin, but the flesh never changes and is always sinful so we will not get rid of our sin nature until we are out of this flesh being with Jesus.

Although we do not have to go by the sin nature by the Spirit but the sin nature is still there.
 
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