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I think this was a very well composed and written explanation. Can I tell you what I always thought about Mark 16:15-18? You might disagree because we may have different interpretations of scripture.

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Casting out devils: Liberating people from belief and faith in false doctrines. (Converting someone to the faith.)
Speak in new tongues: Understanding and speaking true Bible doctrine.
Verse 18 in general: Taking up serpents and drinking a deadly thing is devil's indoctrination and confronting falsely indoctrinated people will not result in you being swayed away from true Bible doctrine.

Indeed, those are true spiritual gifts that can come from no other source. Discerning of spirits is a tremendous gift of the spirit. It's very real. If it weren't here and dispensed to God's children, they would all be lost.
The real key to the exegesis of this Scripture is verse #14 which hold the CONTEXT......

"Afterward he appeared unto the ELEVEN as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen."

The ELEVEN were the Apostles minus Paul who was at this time not an Apostle. IT was THEM to who Jesus Christ commisioned and it was to THEM that the SIGN GIFTS were given.
 

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Tongues comes into a mighty force during attacking from the enemy.
Please do something more original!!!!!

By the way.......do you have a Scripture to validate your post???

Of course not.....how silly of me!
 

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Is the "Tongues" we see practiced today in churches all over the land actually Biblical and valid........
OR is it an emotional exercise in religious fervor????
I would say that almost all of it is an exercise in religious fervor and manipulation.
Funny how it always happens in mega churches when the 'pastor' has their hand touching the person's head or is whipping the crowd into hysterics.

Anyone going to tell me I am wrong?
 
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The real key to the exegesis of this Scripture is verse #14 which hold the CONTEXT......

"Afterward he appeared unto the ELEVEN as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen."

The ELEVEN were the Apostles minus Paul who was at this time not an Apostle. IT was THEM to who Jesus Christ commisioned and it was to THEM that the SIGN GIFTS were given.
I don't know what you mean by sign gifts. Miracles? Paul says God will give gift of miracles to some. (1 Corinthians 12:10) Paul also raised up that snoozer in his sermon when he fell from the upper loft and was dead.

But, Jesus was also vexed by requests to do signs and miracles and he said to Thomas that those who haven't seen and believed are blessed. So, maybe it's a blessing that no more miracles can be performed so that we who don't witness them in person are blessed to believe without seeing.
 
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I can clearly see a prophetic spirit on your description of what you experience in Australia. How exciting! Yes, we have to find and remain in our gifts--not try to be someone else. It's all about following the Spirit.

The success of charismatic/pentetcostal manifestations depends, I think, on the Spirit, as well. There is no pin number to ensure that God does this or that--no magic formula that moves the heart of God to do something when He has already determined *not* to do that thing.

I've seen it, and I've experienced it. Here in the US I've seen tremendous evidence of divine manifestation in the form of God's presence in worship, miracles of healing, the development of ministries, etc. But when the people get entrenched in false gods, materialism, and sin, some ministries and Christians also get caught up in it, rationalize it, and a compromised Christianity evolves.

At some point, after exhausting His patience, God gives up and ends the miracles, the manifestations, the revelations, the powerful exhibitions of His presence, etc. And nothing can be done to restore it until God sees fit. This is, I believe, the process of disciplining the Church.

So we prepare to stand in season and out of season. Nothing we experience--no lack of spiritual manifestation--should discourage us. When we fall below God's standard of holiness, it seems that God stops covering us for all of our mistakes. And mistakes become abuses that need to be seriously dealt with. For a long time some ministries continue without discipline. But the times comes when God wants to clean things up, and deal with the spiritual decline in a country.

I don't pretend to know all of this for sure. It's just what I've witnessed. And I'm putting the pieces together.
Just for your information, there is a great big "ditch" between Australia and New Zealand called the Tasman Sea. The flight time between Wellington NZ to Sydney Australia is around three and a half hours. We call the combination of Australia and New Zealand as Australasia.

Sorry about the geography lesson, but we New Zealanders are very nationalistic. I would say that Canadians wouldn't like being called Americans, even though they are also in North America.

A very minor point I know in an excellent and encouraging post.
 
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Typical AOG dogma.
Show me.

Btw
I am not aog.
My comment on aog is what you said was common knowledge even though you most likely are unfamilliar with them or their statement of faith.
 
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Please do something more original!!!!!

By the way.......do you have a Scripture to validate your post???

Of course not.....how silly of me!
Which is it?
You serious?

You think paul was not under daily attacking????

Stephen full of the Holy Spirit stoned to death.

EVERY APOSTLE BUT JOHN MURDERED.

HUH????

SCRIPTURE???

PICK ONE. THE EPISTLES ARE LOADED WITH THAT DYNAMIC.
 

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Just for your information, there is a great big "ditch" between Australia and New Zealand called the Tasman Sea. The flight time between Wellington NZ to Sydney Australia is around three and a half hours. We call the combination of Australia and New Zealand as Australasia.

Sorry about the geography lesson, but we New Zealanders are very nationalistic. I would say that Canadians wouldn't like being called Americans, even though they are also in North America.

A very minor point I know in an excellent and encouraging post.
Yes, I probably heard you, and just mis-remembered. From my part of the world, it's "over there." Sorry, but I also think of Lord of the Rings when I think of that part of the world.

I get confused with my brother all the time, in fact sometimes with both my brothers. And we're not even twins--hardly! It bothers me a little too, but I understand that the brain processes from one person to another is different, and each person has his own priorities--something has to give.
 

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I don't know what you mean by sign gifts. Miracles? Paul says God will give gift of miracles to some. (1 Corinthians 12:10) Paul also raised up that snoozer in his sermon when he fell from the upper loft and was dead.

But, Jesus was also vexed by requests to do signs and miracles and he said to Thomas that those who haven't seen and believed are blessed. So, maybe it's a blessing that no more miracles can be performed so that we who don't witness them in person are blessed to believe without seeing.
The people who are arguing to be able to speak in tongues, and heal people do so because of Mark 16 and the Geat Commission.

SIGN GIFTS are only mentioned in Mark 16:14- 17.........
"Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17And these signs shall follow them that believe.

The SIN GIFTS which included speaking in tongues was given ONLY to the ELEVEN APOSTLES.
 

Major

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I would say that almost all of it is an exercise in religious fervor and manipulation.
Funny how it always happens in mega churches when the 'pastor' has their hand touching the person's head or is whipping the crowd into hysterics.

Anyone going to tell me I am wrong?
All of those who believ in speaking in tongues and miracle healings done by a man will tell you that you are wrong.

"I" will however tell you that your are correct.
 

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Which is it?
You serious?

You think paul was not under daily attacking????

Stephen full of the Holy Spirit stoned to death.

EVERY APOSTLE BUT JOHN MURDERED.

HUH????

SCRIPTURE???

PICK ONE. THE EPISTLES ARE LOADED WITH THAT DYNAMIC.
Just as i thought......No Scripture offered.
 

Major

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Amen
The mind of christ

" chrisanity"

Well put
My apologies.

I am now dealing with AMD and did not realize that I spelled CHRISTIANITY wrong.

Thank you for the very nice and CHRISTIAN manner in which you informed me!
 

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Show me.

Btw
I am not aog.
My comment on aog is what you said was common knowledge even though you most likely are unfamilliar with them or their statement of faith.
I was a member of the AOG.

I am well aware of what they are and what they teach and since you seem to support what they teach they that makes you with them.

Are you aware of the 16 Foundational Truths of the AOG?
 
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The people who are arguing to be able to speak in tongues, and heal people do so because of Mark 16 and the Geat Commission.

SIGN GIFTS are only mentioned in Mark 16:14- 17.........
"Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17And these signs shall follow them that believe.

The SIN GIFTS which included speaking in tongues was given ONLY to the ELEVEN APOSTLES.
Paul said he could speak in tongues. He believed. Many believe and the signs shall follow them too.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to be daft, but some things you're saying I'm just not getting.
 
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The people who are arguing to be able to speak in tongues, and heal people do so because of Mark 16 and the Geat Commission.

SIGN GIFTS are only mentioned in Mark 16:14- 17.........
"Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17And these signs shall follow them that believe.

The SIN GIFTS which included speaking in tongues was given ONLY to the ELEVEN APOSTLES.
Acts 11
the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
 
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I was a member of the AOG.

I am well aware of what they are and what they teach and since you seem to support what they teach they that makes you with them.

Are you aware of the 16 Foundational Truths of the AOG?
reread my post on aog.
Then you will understand i am NOT AOG.

I ONLY MENTIONED THEM when you smeared the asuza revival.

You then proceeded to transpose something that NEVER was there.
 
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My apologies.

I am now dealing with AMD and did not realize that I spelled CHRISTIANITY wrong.

Thank you for the very nice and CHRISTIAN manner in which you informed me!
I like that word.
Chrisanity.
We need that.
 
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I was a member of the AOG.

I am well aware of what they are and what they teach and since you seem to support what they teach they that makes you with them.

Are you aware of the 16 Foundational Truths of the AOG?
I am sure they are close to being spot on.
It really does not mean anything to me since i have no dog in that fight.