The Abrahamic Covenant
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You directly contradict scripture. It was not fulfilled, it was confirmed. Big difference. Please stop your unbiblical heresies
Jesus Christ fulfilled the promises and covenant made to Abraham, the Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed, it's that simple 
The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church
Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)
(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed
(2) National Ethnic Israel
The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed
They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God
Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church
Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)
(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed
(2) National Ethnic Israel
The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed
They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God
Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
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Jesus Christ fulfilled the promises and covenant made to Abraham, the Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed, it's that simple
The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church
Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)
(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed
(2) National Ethnic Israel
The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed
They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God
Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ is the promised seed, and his children are the Church
Galatians 3:16-29KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
(Two Israel's Are Seen Below)
(1) Israel The Church, Children Of The Promised Seed
(2) National Ethnic Israel
The Church is the Israel of God, children of the promised seed
They which are the children of the flesh (Jews) these are not the children of God
Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all (1)Israel, which are of (2)Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ
Please refrain from dribbling like a baby in a grown-up forum
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Well the promises are all through Christ - including the land promise.
Galatians 3: 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ
So the 'title', which is a tenancy agreement, is in Christ.
In principle it is conditional.
Genesis 15 is however a prophecy; i.e. an unconditional promise - unlike the Abrahamic covenant.
13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety................
.........................17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces...........
18 In the same day the Lord made a covenant
It has been partially fulfilled - when Israel came out of Egypt. But still remains to be completely fullfilled
2 Peter 1: 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
Galatians 3: 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ
So the 'title', which is a tenancy agreement, is in Christ.
In principle it is conditional.
Genesis 15 is however a prophecy; i.e. an unconditional promise - unlike the Abrahamic covenant.
13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety................
.........................17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces...........
18 In the same day the Lord made a covenant
It has been partially fulfilled - when Israel came out of Egypt. But still remains to be completely fullfilled
2 Peter 1: 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
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Abrahamic covenant:
gen 12:
Now the Lord had said to Abram:
“Get out of your country,
From your family
And from your father’s house,
To a land that I will show you.
2 I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you
land and nation promise, Israel
And make your name great;
And you shall be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
in you (your seed (Christ). Shall all nations be blessed
Gen 15:
Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that isnot theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. 14 And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. 15 Now as for you, you shall [d]go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”
17 And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces. 18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:
“To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— 19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”
land promise, Israel - afflicted 400 years in Egypt, then they will leave with great possessions and return to the land, and the land will be their forever,
gen 17
And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly.” 3 Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying: 4 “As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations. 5 No longer shall your name be called [c]Abram, but your name shall be [d]Abraham; for I have made you a father of [e]many nations. 6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you. 7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you.
Abraham had many son, and fathered many nations, two of them are fighting today in Israel. Some (edom for example) was destroyed
8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in[f] which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
Abraham, Issac and Jacob later, where confirmed to be given this land, called Israel as a permanent eternal gift. All the land of Canaan, this is still in effect today, as the land still exists, and eternal has yet to end
the abrahamic covenant has three main parts
1. offer of salvation to all people.
2. nations will come from him
3. one nation, special to God, will come from him and they own through God a plot of land in the Middle East, and although they lost it temporarily because of sin according to Lev 26, when they repent, they will be restored fully in the land
the gift of God are irrevocable, just as God kept his promise od Christ and many nations, he will keep his promise to Israel
gen 12:
Now the Lord had said to Abram:
“Get out of your country,
From your family
And from your father’s house,
To a land that I will show you.
2 I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you
land and nation promise, Israel
And make your name great;
And you shall be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
in you (your seed (Christ). Shall all nations be blessed
Gen 15:
Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that isnot theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. 14 And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. 15 Now as for you, you shall [d]go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”
17 And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces. 18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:
“To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— 19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”
land promise, Israel - afflicted 400 years in Egypt, then they will leave with great possessions and return to the land, and the land will be their forever,
gen 17
And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly.” 3 Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying: 4 “As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations. 5 No longer shall your name be called [c]Abram, but your name shall be [d]Abraham; for I have made you a father of [e]many nations. 6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you. 7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you.
Abraham had many son, and fathered many nations, two of them are fighting today in Israel. Some (edom for example) was destroyed
8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in[f] which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
Abraham, Issac and Jacob later, where confirmed to be given this land, called Israel as a permanent eternal gift. All the land of Canaan, this is still in effect today, as the land still exists, and eternal has yet to end
the abrahamic covenant has three main parts
1. offer of salvation to all people.
2. nations will come from him
3. one nation, special to God, will come from him and they own through God a plot of land in the Middle East, and although they lost it temporarily because of sin according to Lev 26, when they repent, they will be restored fully in the land
the gift of God are irrevocable, just as God kept his promise od Christ and many nations, he will keep his promise to Israel
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Wasn't the deal actually that they didn't keep their end?
13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
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No, If it is conditional then it is breakable and could not be eternal
Again, in chapter 15. The covenant was made one way. Only Christ went down the center He Put Abraham to sleep
It is refered to as an "I WILL" covenant. ie. I will do this, I will do that as apposed to a "If you do this, I will do that" covenant.
Again, in chapter 15. The covenant was made one way. Only Christ went down the center He Put Abraham to sleep
It is refered to as an "I WILL" covenant. ie. I will do this, I will do that as apposed to a "If you do this, I will do that" covenant.
It would only cease to be implementable if there were no Israelites.
Provided there was one Israelite observing it, the Covenant remains in force.
The rather lethargic view that the Covenant was unconditional was confronted by Jesus.
His reply was that God could raise up descendants of Abraham out of the stones.
So in computer code, or Maths, something like,
if Israelites = 0 then create New Israelites from the stones
I guess worse case scenario would be an infinite loop
Provided there was one Israelite observing it, the Covenant remains in force.
The rather lethargic view that the Covenant was unconditional was confronted by Jesus.
His reply was that God could raise up descendants of Abraham out of the stones.
So in computer code, or Maths, something like,
if Israelites = 0 then create New Israelites from the stones
I guess worse case scenario would be an infinite loop
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There's quite a bit of confusion in the sphere of Christianity related to the
various covenants that God made with His people; and I suspect it's because
too many folks are self-taught rather than properly instructed by a competent
authority who knows what they're talking about.
I seldom recommend books, but feel very strongly that the book below is a
must-have in every serious Bible student's library.
THINGS TO COME
by J. Dwight Pentecost
It's priced new for approximately $25, depending on where you get it.
Mr. Pentecost's work has been in continuous print for something like sixty
years so it shouldn't be too difficult to find it cheap in used condition.
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There's quite a bit of confusion in the sphere of Christianity related to the
various covenants that God made with His people; and I suspect it's because
too many folks are self-taught rather than properly instructed by a competent
authority who knows what they're talking about.
I seldom recommend books, but feel very strongly that the book below is a
must-have in every serious Bible student's library.
THINGS TO COME
by J. Dwight Pentecost
It's priced new for approximately $25, depending on where you get it.
Mr. Pentecost's work has been in continuous print for something like sixty
years so it shouldn't be too difficult to find it cheap in used condition.
_
Yes. But I've read that the skin condition is very rare in females, anyway.
It might help to define who you are applying the conditionality/non-conditionality of the covenant to. To Abraham, I suppose it could be argued that the covenant was unconditional. I mean, if he didn't go out and get circumcised, but why wouldn't he? That just doesn't fit who Abraham is and what God commanded.
For Abraham's descendants, however, the covenant was conditional. They must circumcise and be circumcised - anyone who didn't was cut off (for breaking the covenant).
It might help to define who you are applying the conditionality/non-conditionality of the covenant to. To Abraham, I suppose it could be argued that the covenant was unconditional. I mean, if he didn't go out and get circumcised, but why wouldn't he? That just doesn't fit who Abraham is and what God commanded.
For Abraham's descendants, however, the covenant was conditional. They must circumcise and be circumcised - anyone who didn't was cut off (for breaking the covenant).
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Wasn't the deal actually that they didn't keep their end?
Today, most Jewish people deny that their Messiah was Christ, we are told that they have been blinded for our sakes. It is a mystery that has deep spiritual meanings. I think it is related to the new covenant. All through the history of the Jews they were given commands that were physical to lead them to the spirit of the Lord, like cutting flesh to lead them to circumcision of the heart. The new covenant puts all law in our hearts, now. We think of Jews as being tied to those physical commands.
We are assured that God has not forsaken them, they will all know Him in the end. God says that men may forget their promises, but the Lord never does.
They still have faith in forgiveness and believe in a Messiah. Again, there is something there we don't understand.
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